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Songs in DoS and TABA
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Nunilo
Bree

Feb 15 2013, 9:01am

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I loved the renditions of both 'Misty Mountains' and 'Crack the Plates' in AUJ, and am wondering if there will be any more singing in the next two movies. To see the dwarves singing when they barricade themselves into the mountain/treasure in the same vein as 'Misty Mountains' (or even in celebration when they first get it back) would be magnificent. In one of the video blogs the dwarves are singing some sort of adaptation of Bilbo's 'Inn Song', but I can't imagine where in context they would sing/make up those particular lyrics (Beorn's house and Laketown aren't quite inns...) Understandably not all the songs from the book will be included, but it would be nice if we got to see a bit more. Thoughts/insights/info? :)


Shagrat
Gondor

Feb 15 2013, 9:38am

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'Inn Song' [In reply to] Can't Post

All evidence points to Bofur taking the lead on this one at Rivendell, almost certainly in the EE.


Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Feb 15 2013, 11:12am

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I've wondered the same thing [In reply to] Can't Post

I think I recall Richard Armitage saying in one of the vlogs that they've managed to get in quite a few songs from the books in the movies.

I've been wondering what songs would be appropriate for the next two films though given that they're going to be darker films. The only ones that come to mind are 'the King has come unto his own' and 'the wind was on the withered heath'.

The former would be appropriate if sung in the same solemn vein as the 'misty mountains' song in AUJ.

The latter I could imagine being played over some sort of history of dragons in general, or Smaug in particular, in a sort of prologue for DOS.

Welcome to TORn by the way Smile


Elvanui
Rivendell


Feb 15 2013, 11:39am

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I kind of hope (spoilers) [In reply to] Can't Post

that there will be singing at Thorin's burial. They've shown that they can do solemn and serious beautifully, and if done right it would be amazing. It would mean a new song being written but get a Tolkien linguist on the task and I think it could be great.

I'm looking forward to the Inn Song too - I hope it makes it to the EE.

"...under all there was a great joy: a fountain of mirth enough to set a kingdom laughing, were it to gush forth."


stoutfiles
Rohan


Feb 15 2013, 1:23pm

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Don't forget Fili and Kili! [In reply to] Can't Post

They died too. Tolkien was very "meh" about those two dying, but I'm sure it will be a triple funeral in the movie.


Elvanui
Rivendell


Feb 15 2013, 1:37pm

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Ugghh :( [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes I was going by the book only, silly me.

"...under all there was a great joy: a fountain of mirth enough to set a kingdom laughing, were it to gush forth."


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Feb 15 2013, 3:29pm

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Re: Songs in Dos and TaBA [In reply to] Can't Post

The Lake-men are supposed to sing some old songs of the King under the Mountain in celebration of Thorin's return, although Tolkien never composed any examples of them.

Well, if I remember right, the Rankin/Bass Hobbit took the elvish song that begins Chapter 19 ("The dragon is withered,") and transforms it into "The Mountain-king's Return" immediately following the Battle of the Five Armies. I think that there is a good chance that we will hear some version of the follow-up to the dwarves' "Misty Mountains" song, the one that they sing to calm Thorin after the arrival of the armies of the men and wood-elves.

It is anyone's guess as to whether we will hear any Rivendell elves singing under the moon on Bilbo's return journey.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Brethil
Half-elven


Feb 15 2013, 3:47pm

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I think of them [In reply to] Can't Post

when Neil Finn sings "'our lives to make..." They don't get much life, poor kids.

I'm sure what Howard Shore does with the Tri-funeral will be powerful.

...she took the point at once, but she also took the spoons.

(This post was edited by Brethil on Feb 15 2013, 3:50pm)


The Grey Pilgrim
Lorien


Feb 15 2013, 3:54pm

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Definitely a burial song for Thorin [In reply to] Can't Post

I love Eowyn's song at Theodreds burial in TTT and something simila for Thorin would be beautiful but with A more grand choral aspect maybe and less raw quality.

A MUST for me is "Roads Go Ever On" near the closing of There and Back Again. It would be an incredibly emotional trick and another nice link towards The Rings films.

"Roads go ever ever on,
Over rock and under tree,
By caves where never sun has shone,
By streams that never find the sea;
Over snow by winter sown,
And through the merry flowers of June,
Over grass and over stone,
And under mountains in the moon.
Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star,
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known.".

So beautiful
Heart


Brethil
Half-elven


Feb 15 2013, 3:57pm

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From Bilbo? [In reply to] Can't Post

as a goodbye? Oh dear.
Tissues please.

...she took the point at once, but she also took the spoons.


IdrilofGondolin
Rohan

Feb 15 2013, 3:59pm

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Was Reading [In reply to] Can't Post

The Silmarillion last night. There is a beautiful depiction of the dwarves carrying their dead king from the battlefield in the Battle of Unnumbered Tears. They are walking show and singing and no one dares molest them because of the majesty of the procession.


The Grey Pilgrim
Lorien


Feb 15 2013, 4:02pm

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Ahh getting emotional just thinking about it! [In reply to] Can't Post

Frown. The end of the book is always really emotional for me so I can only imagine how bad the film with Howard Shore's music will wreck me; and that song just encapsulates the tone perfectly.


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Feb 15 2013, 4:05pm

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Poem [In reply to] Can't Post


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A MUST for me is "Roads Go Ever On" near the closing of There and Back Again. It would be an incredibly emotional trick and another nice link towards The Rings films.

So beautiful
Heart



Well, Bilbo originally composed this as a poem, not a song, and it should be included as such. Just the same, I hope it makes it in.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


The Grey Pilgrim
Lorien


Feb 15 2013, 4:09pm

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About the silmarillion [In reply to] Can't Post

Could you link the verse by any chance? I think I know what you're talking about but can't remember


Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Feb 15 2013, 4:11pm

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Gandalf did slightly sing it [In reply to] Can't Post


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A MUST for me is "Roads Go Ever On" near the closing of There and Back Again. It would be an incredibly emotional trick and another nice link towards The Rings films.

So beautiful
Heart



Well, Bilbo originally composed this as a poem, not a song, and it should be included as such. Just the same, I hope it makes it in.


Well Gandalf did sing it in the opening of FOTR riding into the Shire. I think it would be fitting for Bilbo to sing it at the end as well and yes it should absolutely be included one way or the other.


Tintallë
Gondor


Feb 15 2013, 5:03pm

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Oh good grief. My throat is all achey [In reply to] Can't Post

and I have tears in my eyes just from these posts! The last movie is nearly two years away and I'm nearly sobbing just in anticipation of the end. Stop it you guys! Evil


IdrilofGondolin
Rohan

Feb 15 2013, 6:23pm

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Will try [In reply to] Can't Post

Smile


Elvanui
Rivendell


Feb 15 2013, 7:51pm

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I'd love a link to that too :) [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes, if they get the tone of the dwarf music right in the final film, especially towards the end (and I have full faith in Howard Shore :)), it will only add to the heartbreak. The Breaking of the Fellowship, for instance, was perfect to me. A song at the burial of the three and something from Bilbo - song or poem - as he's travelling home would be suitably powerful.

Mine too, Tintalle!




"...under all there was a great joy: a fountain of mirth enough to set a kingdom laughing, were it to gush forth."


Nunilo
Bree

Feb 15 2013, 10:09pm

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I hadn't thought of that opportunity, that would be a beautiful moment, but so sad! Probably Balin would lead that song (possibly with Dain). This is going to be so hard to watch... Crazy

Can't wait to see the EE now, for the dwarves to be singing and making fun of their 'landlords' the elves will be fun to watch.


Nunilo
Bree

Feb 15 2013, 10:21pm

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Thank you :) [In reply to] Can't Post

And a history of the dragons would be very cool to see on the big screen!


Eleniel
Grey Havens


Feb 15 2013, 10:41pm

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The Fall of Azaghâl... [In reply to] Can't Post

  

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But the Naugrim made a circle about him [Glaurung] when he assailed them, and even his mighty armour was not full proof against the blows of their great axes; and when in his rage Glaurung turned and struck down Azaghâl, Lord of Belegost, and crawled over him, with his last stroke Azaghâl drove a knife into his belly, and so wounded him that he fled the field, and the beasts of Angband followed after him.
Then the Dwarves raised up the body of Azaghâl and bore it away; and with slow steps they walked behind singing a dirge in deep voices, as it were a funeral pomp in their country, and gave no heed more to their foes; and none dared to stay them.



The Silmarillion, Of the Fifth Battle, Chap 20.


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort






imin
Valinor


Feb 15 2013, 10:47pm

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Just finished re-reading The Silmarillion last night! [In reply to] Can't Post

Great minds think a like i guess, lol.

Yeah that is a great passage - get a sense of the Dwarves strength, abilities and then their culture and attitude to their leaders and fallen.

Loved how Azaghal fought til the end against Glaurung! Brings a tear to my eye Blush


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 16 2013, 12:50am

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Tolkien gave the example in "The Mountain-King's Return" which is [In reply to] Can't Post

also present in the Rankin and Bass animated. ". . . all sorrow fail and sadness, at the Mountain Kings return." I think it would be great to have some elderly person in Dale mutter that their grandfather or grandmother told tales of The Mountain King, and would sing the old song about how he would return, and begins singing that song, to be joined by some nearby who also know it.

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The Lake-men are supposed to sing some old songs of the King under the Mountain in celebration of Thorin's return, although Tolkien never composed any examples of them.

Well, if I remember right, the Rankin/Bass Hobbit took the elvish song that begins Chapter 19 ("The dragon is withered,") and transforms it into "The Mountain-king's Return" immediately following the Battle of the Five Armies. I think that there is a good chance that we will hear some version of the follow-up to the dwarves' "Misty Mountains" song, the one that they sing to calm Thorin after the arrival of the armies of the men and wood-elves.

It is anyone's guess as to whether we will hear any Rivendell elves singing under the moon on Bilbo's return journey.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Feb 16 2013, 1:20am

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The Wind Was On the Withered Heath [In reply to] Can't Post


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The latter I could imagine being played over some sort of history of dragons in general, or Smaug in particular, in a sort of prologue for DOS.

In the book The Dwarves sang this in Beorn's hall, and I could see how this would be perfect for what you said here if they meet up with Beorn fairly early in DoS. I have imagined this song in more of the style of "Misty Mountain Cold" personally, sung without musical accompaniment.

'"Never laugh at live dragons, Bilbo you fool!" he said to himself, and it became a favourite saying of his later, and passed into a proverb.'


Bombadil
Half-elven


Feb 16 2013, 10:52am

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in " Queer Lodgings ".. [In reply to] Can't Post

The great door had Creaked and slammed.
Beorn was gone.
the dwarves were sitting cross-legged
on the floor around the fire
and presently they began
to sing.
some of the verses were like this
but there were many more
and their
Singing went on for a long while:

"The wind was on the withered Heath,
but in the forest stirred no leaf:
THere shadows lay by niight and day
and dark things silent crept beneath.."

It's too long to type the whole thing
but check It Out...

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