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Feb 13 2013, 7:28am

Post #26 of 69 (548 views)
I feel very similar about this scene in particular. Not that it is the only such vision [In reply to] Can't Post

that authentically meets the criteria. Some could be in different seasons, or with different tree types, or fauna etc., but that first few frames of this scene definitely evoked the memory of one of those quintessential Enchanted Forest visions. And the segue into it, with the Wizard's narration was magnificent as well.

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The very first frame of Radagast in the forest that seems to remind me of all my child hood visions of the quintessential forest invested with magic and a story to be told.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

Grey Havens

Feb 13 2013, 10:07am

Post #27 of 69 (519 views)
Yes! [In reply to] Can't Post

Have to admit I wasn't a huge fan of the whole Goblin-town sequence at first, but on subsequent viewings I've been won over by the choreography of the fight scenes. I love looking for the differences in the fighting style of each dwarf, and trying to see who's doing what: not easy when there's 13 dwarves plus a wizard to try to keep track of!

Thanks for that great link -- I've managed to watch half of it (slow dial-up connection = slim chance of downloading videos) and it looks intriguing. At least in the first 20 seconds or so of the fight training, with the exception of Richard Armitage I don't recognize a single actor (or dwarf). So funny to see them out of costume! Will try to watch the whole thing when I've got the patience for the download.


Feb 13 2013, 10:15am

Post #28 of 69 (507 views)
Agree with this [In reply to] Can't Post

... the first time watching I though: Oh no, PJ!

But the second time I already thought: Go PJ! ;)

I realized how much is happening in those picture and how nicely all this is choreographed.

Registered User

Feb 13 2013, 10:48am

Post #29 of 69 (516 views)
what i like best [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf parsing the Various meanings of "Good Morning" was definately one of the things that immediatly stood out to me , its gandalf doing precisely what the profesor did. Also i loved Balin , he was kindly and warm, exactly how i pictured him (and the way he twirls his Sword/Mace in moria is boss) and his delivery of the line regarding how the line of Durin would not so easily be broken was done perfectly. Bilbo saying confusticate and bebother these dwarves was also a sweet touch, basically i liked all the flavor text from the book that PJ managed to sneak in, admittedly it fed my ego because it felt awesome to know that some people in the cinema were probably not even aware of these small things that made the experience so damn good for me.
... i cant help myself, Dwalins mohawk was awesome too

“Durin’s Heir you may be, but even with one eye you should see clearer. We fought this war for vengeance, and vengeance we have taken. But it is not sweet. If this is victory, then our hands are too small to hold it.”


Feb 13 2013, 11:15am

Post #30 of 69 (510 views)
yes!!!!!!...... [In reply to] Can't Post

'....as he smote the iron on the anvil' that is so good.total goosebumps! I went back and read that after watching the film and it just created more chills,fantastic.that bit really is a mini masterpiece moment of movie making,like the beacons in ROTK. There are lots of things I think they got right too numerous to list here and some have already been mentioned by others but I just want to add that the marriage of images and character to music is outstanding.as an amateur musician myself I'm always drawn to movie scores and AUJs soundtrack is brilliant.I know some have said its not as good as LOTR etc but I think certain moments of images/shots coupled with the music is just spot on.I'm thinking of when the dwarves are waiting for smaug to break the doors of erebor and later in the prologue as thorin stands on the mountain top leading his people,fist in the air as the mournful horn calls the dwarves theme.epic!also the melody for 'far over the misty mountains' total genius.....and the music playing for the battle of azanulbizar is awesome.so many moments,I may be back with some moreSmile

Arrow....black arrow,I have saved you to the last.you have never failed me and always I have recovered you.I had you from my father and he from old.if ever you came from the forges of the true king under the mountain,go now and speed well


Feb 13 2013, 11:49am

Post #31 of 69 (514 views)
The things that stood out on first viewing [In reply to] Can't Post

and still haven''t changed were..

The whole Erebor introduction scene, giving us insight and context for Thorin's character and the whole quest and enabling us to empathise with him in a way we just don't really get a chance to in the book.

The Unexpected Party - and everything in the Shire. The Dwarf songs, the peaceful night, Bilbo's waking up scene and his mad dash to catch up with the company. Everything!

Riddles in the dark - masterful performances by both actors. Gollum/Smeagol breaks my heart in his odd innocence and desperation! And the Pity of Bilbo scene.

The Eagles - this sequence has not failed to make me cry every time I've seen it. The second time I saw it I think I said out loud 'why is it always the Eagles?' - they were one of my weep-inducing unexpected delights in ROTK and again here.

I LOVE your point about the 'he never forgave and he never forgot' scene - you're right; it captures that passage perfectly. I must get hold of a copy of The Annotated Hobbit.

I'm off to my sixth and final viewing tonight - this is the last day it's in the cinemas here - need to make the most of it Smile

"...under all there was a great joy: a fountain of mirth enough to set a kingdom laughing, were it to gush forth."


Feb 13 2013, 2:04pm

Post #32 of 69 (483 views)
The eagles are coming! [In reply to] Can't Post

I REALLY loved the scene where the eagles rescue the company. The music there (though unfortunately completely missing from the soundtrack) is some of the best I've heard from the four films.


Feb 13 2013, 2:14pm

Post #33 of 69 (499 views)
3 highlights for me. [In reply to] Can't Post

1) Bag-end: loved everything about it.

2) Every scene involving Gollum and Bilbo

3) The Eagle rescue and escort scenes.

Those outweighed the negatives for me. Speaking of which, the only improvement I would make is making the Goblin-town sequences a bit longer and less rushed/chaotic. I understand the movie was meant to be light, but I wish that part of the journey felt a bit more menacing than it ended up being.


Tol Eressea

Feb 13 2013, 2:16pm

Post #34 of 69 (503 views)
LOL [In reply to] Can't Post


I just almost choked.

Vous commencez ą m'ennuyer avec le port!!!

The Shire

Feb 13 2013, 3:59pm

Post #35 of 69 (489 views)
So much to like, so little time to write [In reply to] Can't Post

Some of my favorite moments are humorous:
a) Kili teasing Bilbo about the Orcs ("Just lots of blood")
b) Gandalf teasing Bilbo about how golf was invented
c) Bofur teasing Bilbo about the dragon ("Aye, he'll melt the flesh off your bones in the blink of an eye")
d) Kili and Fili getting Bilbo to do their job for them, confronting the trolls
e) Bofur throwing Bombur a sausage and the table breaking
f) Gollum asking Bilbo to play a game with him
g) The great goblin singing his 'necks will be wrung' song
h) Kili looking on the ground for Bilbo when they realize Bilbo isn't with them. Everyone else looks around, but no, Kili looks on the ground.

Of course I love all the dramatic moments and fighting as well, but those have already been mentioned. I've nothing to disagree with.

As for what Peter did particularly well, I'm glad Bilbo made the decision to leave. In the book, Gandalf practically forces him out the door, and he spends most of the book regretting it.

I really love the dwarves. My mom had a phrase she would use in regard to my nephews--"all boy", and this description seems to fit the dwarves very well. They do everything to the fullest that they can do--play, fight, sing, eat. I just love watching them.

Lotr: You know it's been a bad day when even the elf is smudged.
TH: when the going gets tough, the tough call the eagles.

Grey Havens

Feb 13 2013, 5:44pm

Post #36 of 69 (454 views)
pff! Give us some warning! [In reply to] Can't Post

Glad I hadn't picked up my tea before I read your reply!

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Feb 13 2013, 6:54pm

Post #37 of 69 (416 views)
That when I read over bits of the book and reflect back on the movie [In reply to] Can't Post

I get choked up because those who created the movie so obviously care about making it right and making it real. The elements woven into The Hobbit from Tolkien's other writings, the details in every setting and for every character, the look and feel of Middle Earth - it is all so real to me. Honestly I think it's better than I ever imagined during my countless readings of the book.

My favorite moments I've already covered in a past post, one I made when I thought my viewing opportunities were done (happily I was WRONG!), but I would cite everything you said and especially add the first night camping after Balin has related his story, ending with "There is one who I could call king," I love it when Thorin turns and dips his head to acknowledge his company, with all the dwarves now risen to their feet and standing in silent respect, looking at him as if he were already crowned king and one, Ori, looking absolutely awestruck.

So many moments. Love the anvil scene. Love the way Thorin calmly dispatches a charging warg while guarding the escape route for his company. Love that his first words on the Carrock were "the hafling." Love Gandalf igniting pinecones as a defense against an orc pack. You know, if I were one of the dwarves I'd probably have expected a bit more from my local wizard! Then again, I can't talk to moths. . .

So much to love, so much to see, so much in which to absolutely revel and delight.


Feb 13 2013, 7:23pm

Post #38 of 69 (425 views)
There are lots of things that were done perfectly [In reply to] Can't Post

I'll start from the beginning of the film:

Prologue was done very well. I loved the general design of Erebor. Seeing the miners hanging on chains, with the twinkling candlelight illuminating the mountain was an incredible shot. I love that it harkened back to the mithril scene in the EE FOTR. Thranduil was also awesome. I'm a big fan of that elk.

The good morning conversation was great. Excellent acting by Freeman and Mckellen. I also especially loved Dwalin and Balins arrivals at Bag End. They were done perfectly, and really made it seem very confusing and frustrating for Bilbo. Of course, the dwarves singing was excellent. Loved the shot of the sparks from the fire as the camera pans up the chimney of Bag End. Bilbo running out his door was probably my favorite moment in the whole film. The excellent music by Howard Shore, and the beautiful shots of Hobbiton make that a really iconic scene for me. It was one that made me feel most nostalgic for the LOTR films. Loved Bilbo forgetting his handkerchief, the film wouldn't be The Hobbit without it...

....pretends whole middle section of the film doesn't exist.....

Everything about Riddles in the Dark was pretty much perfect for me. I don't even think I can pick a specific shot or scene during that sequence simply because I like all of it so much. When Gandalf blows away all the goblins and you see his silhouette appear (with his shiny new theme song playing as well) was such an awesome moment for the character. Perfect. The pity of Bilbo was also one of my favorite scenes in the movie. I love how Bilbo sees the company escaping but can't speak up or do anything. You can feel his frustration.

I also really enjoyed the shots of the company on the eagles. I'm not a big fan of the way the sequence prior to that was done, but those scenics of the Eagles flying, with that excellent music in the background is beautiful.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"

Registered User

Feb 13 2013, 7:43pm

Post #39 of 69 (415 views)
one scene more... [In reply to] Can't Post

... which have not be mentioned yet, but stands out for me:

Balin and Thorin speaking in Bag End over the quest and Balin telling him ".. you must not do this.." Thorins sight at this... everything the scene means between the words, the worthship of his people for what he already achived... " ... worth more than all the gold.." *goosebumps for me* Evil

Grey Havens

Feb 13 2013, 7:45pm

Post #40 of 69 (442 views)
Hah! Bless him, Kili just needs a little help in the "finding lost things" department. [In reply to] Can't Post

That cracked me up: when Bilbo goes missing, Kili looks around wildly *on the ground* for him. No wonder he and Fili lost the ponies: they were probably looking up in the trees instead!

"All boy" is a great description for the dwarves. They don't do things by halves. I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again: I'd rather hang out with Thorin and company over the Fellowship, hands down, any day. They laugh hard, party hard, and fight hard (and are pretty great at singing, too): what's not to love?

Tol Eressea

Feb 13 2013, 9:15pm

Post #41 of 69 (377 views)
That was a great scene. I enjoyed it as well.// [In reply to] Can't Post


Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Feb 13 2013, 9:25pm

Post #42 of 69 (372 views)
What everyone else said above. [In reply to] Can't Post

That was much, much easier for me....


Feb 13 2013, 10:50pm

Post #43 of 69 (360 views)
One of the few things that I was both glad to see included AND thought could have been better handled. [In reply to] Can't Post

If the fire had been blue, like the first of them in the book, and they had burst upon hitting the ground (not like sparklers, but with some measure of force, not entirely unlike the blue fire flash that dislodged the boulder in Goblin Town, though perhaps less in magnitude), and perhaps with a thunderous incantation from Gandalf, ala the Warg scene from the novel of Feallowship, it would have been more appreciably impressive and fitting, while still not veering into the territory of excess nor entirely routing the orcs.

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Love Gandalf igniting pinecones as a defense against an orc pack. You know, if I were one of the dwarves I'd probably have expected a bit more from my local wizard! Then again, I can't talk to moths. . .

So much to love, so much to see, so much in which to absolutely revel and delight.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Feb 13 2013, 10:53pm

Post #44 of 69 (347 views)
Definitely, though I generally include this in the overall greatness of the entire [In reply to] Can't Post

Unexpected Party sequence.

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... which have not be mentioned yet, but stands out for me:

Balin and Thorin speaking in Bag End over the quest and Balin telling him ".. you must not do this.." Thorins sight at this... everything the scene means between the words, the worthship of his people for what he already achived... " ... worth more than all the gold.." *goosebumps for me* Evil

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

Grey Havens

Feb 14 2013, 12:25am

Post #45 of 69 (329 views)
Welcome, Glorfindela! [In reply to] Can't Post

Glad you delurked to join us. Smile

Nice thoughts you've shared. I particularly agree with your #1! They've done a fantastic job of turning the dwarves into something we can believe in and care about (and enjoy), instead of giving us the grumpy-garden-gnome dwarves that we have in the book (in the first half, at least).

I also particularly agree with your #3 -- the humor here is much better and aye, there's more of it. Bofur cracks me up with almost everything he does, from thoughtfully taking a bite of a scone then putting it back on the communal plate for someone else to have, to teasing Bilbo about furnaces with wings, to throwing sausages at Bombur: he's great. Gollum's "If Baggins loses, we eats it whole" line is one always guaranteed to get laughs in the theater. And Bilbo's entire effort at stalling the trolls (plus the dwarves' reactions to him) is hilarious. There's not nearly so much humor in LOTR -- which is, I suppose, as it should be; but still, it does make AUJ a lot more fun.

And neat that your latest viewing was well attended, and that the audience (sounds like they'd all seen it before?) was enjoying it properly!


Feb 14 2013, 3:51am

Post #46 of 69 (326 views)
Yes! They don't get enough credit for this... [In reply to] Can't Post

1) The balance
Between kid and adult, between fan-pandering and non-fan awareness, between old and new, between faithfulness and liberties. It's a difficult line to walk, and I applaud them for pulling it off.

True balance in this film is an impossible thing to achieve and I applaud their effort. I'm in awe of their effort. It's not perfect, but it's fantastic.

"Why, to think of it, we're in the same tale still! It's going on. Don't the great tales never end?" -Samwise

Tol Eressea

Feb 14 2013, 5:06am

Post #47 of 69 (330 views)
Here's all of my favorite moments... [In reply to] Can't Post

-The good morning conversation
-The dwarves singing Misty Mountains (Cold)
-"I'm going on an adventure!"
-Gandalf breaking the rock and "freezing" the trolls
-Fun Elrond
-The White Council
-The look of the stone giant off in the distance (the rest of the sequence is terrible)
-Riddles in the Dark
-Gandalf blasting the goblins in Goblin Town (the coolest single moment in the entire film)
-The eagles (second coolest)
-Smaug's eye

Probably not nearly as many as any of the LotR movies, and no real "iconic" moments, but not too shabby, either. I'm thinking, though, that AUJ is the difficult one, so i'm hoping the next two films will provide many great, iconic moments.

Tol Eressea

Feb 14 2013, 6:01am

Post #48 of 69 (321 views)
pretty much took the words right out of my mouth.... [In reply to] Can't Post

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The dwarves. The way they are all shown as very different individuals. They each have their special quirks, and I am sure that there is a story behind each and every one of them, even if we haven't seen all of thos yet. And I just love their costumes and their weaponry. There are so many tiny details that I can find on closer inspection, which makes every viewing of the movie interesting. And yes, well, the hair, I love that too, especially Thorin's, although I'm also quite partial to Fili's locks.

Another thing that I love - or rather, another person - is Bilbo. MF does such a great job. He looks so very hobbity, and he is just the perfect Bilbo to me.

There is a lot to be said for the way the movie uses some of the lines directly from the book or slightly modified. One of my favourite scenes is when Gandalf tells Bilbo about Bullroarer Took and how golf was invented. That makes me chuckle every time. I also like the whole 'Good morning' scene. These are such lovely interpretations of what is written in the book.

There are a lot more things, I'm sure, but that's all I can think of for now.

Oh, and I came across this recently. There are a lot of things that I agree with in this... Tongue

As someone who has preferred LOTR, and always identified with the Elves (since I read LOTR in 1978), I have to give it to PJ, the actors, and WETA for creating awesome, just plain AWESOME Dwarves and making me fall in love with them...especially Bofur.. and his indestructible hat.

Bunny sleds still rule, my Siberians say so... stop, wait, come back here.....

Go outside and play...


Feb 14 2013, 7:27am

Post #49 of 69 (330 views)
A sort of P.S., since I think tonight was the last show for me. . . [In reply to] Can't Post

I love the "Dwarves, Your Malevolence" line. I even like the pointy chinned goblin who delivers it!

I noticed some things others have pointed out: the disappearing halters on the ponies in the trolls' corral, the stairway carved into the side of the Carrock, and Fili's absence in a lot of scenes as well as him looking like someone else entirely during the Misty Mountains song, assuming that is him leaning against the hearth facing Thorin. And I'd never noticed that Gollum suddenly looks up from his goblin mashup atop the island rock and spots Bilbo watching. All these times and I'd never noticed that before tonight. Makes me wonder what else I've missed.

I love the way they scarred Azog's white warg like his master.

Most of all I love the very first sight of Thorin as the Bag End door opens with a groan, and two lines: "Gandalf" (I guess that's not really a line, but it's enough to melt me) and "Can you read them?" Ahhhhhhh. I will be a little puddle of misery by the end of these movies, all because of Thorin.

What I really like best is that AUJ has grown on me, at first getting better and better and then becoming as dear and familiar as a beloved friend. I have seen AUJ more times in a row than any other movie ever and I would still go back tomorrow, given the chance. Unfortunately the last show is tomorrow at 9:50 p.m. and I have to get up at 5 a.m. for work, so that's out for me!


Feb 14 2013, 1:00pm

Post #50 of 69 (280 views)
:) thanks [In reply to] Can't Post

Someone found it funny, lol.

I do like the little kite bit, but obviously it isnt the only part i like.

I like seeing how they imagined Erebor inside - i never imagined it with such thin walkways and so much space to fall down to your death in! But it looks good.

Dale - somewhere i thought looked good but very out of keeping with what Dale should be when i first saw it, i felt looked good and i am looking forward to seeing more of it in the next movie or two.

I also really loved the company singing and Bilbo going to bed. The scene after is great when he is searching his house.

Then of course there is Riddles in the Dark which was done brilliantly and Bofur and Bilbo's little scene that was very much needed at that point in the film and i thought was great.

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