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TH:AUJ shutout at BAFTAs--0-3
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Feb 10 2013, 9:53pm

Post #1 of 38 (1837 views)
TH:AUJ shutout at BAFTAs--0-3 Can't Post

I guess the Oscars are going to be equally as bloody for TH:AUJ--dang that Life of Pi!

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Feb 10 2013, 10:43pm

Post #2 of 38 (1029 views)
*sad face* [In reply to] Can't Post

I haven't seen Life of Pi but I understand that its visuals are outstanding - so if AUJ had to be beaten at the post, at least it was beaten by a stallion and not a show-pony.

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Feb 10 2013, 11:09pm

Post #3 of 38 (1009 views)
While I loved the Hobbit, [In reply to] Can't Post

I am sorry but there is no way that it was better than Life Of Pi in the VFX department. That movie looked incredible.


Feb 10 2013, 11:16pm

Post #4 of 38 (1007 views)
It's a shame... [In reply to] Can't Post

But I'm guessing There and Back Again stands the best award chances (which might perhaps explain the earlier release date...)


Feb 10 2013, 11:22pm

Post #5 of 38 (995 views)
I must be the only one who felt [In reply to] Can't Post

"meh" about LOP's visuals. Some of it was great, some of it was just Avatar.

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Grey Havens

Feb 11 2013, 12:09am

Post #6 of 38 (902 views)
I suspect you're right. [In reply to] Can't Post

FOTR and TTT didn't do all that well at the Oscars; ROTK got 12, if I remember right: a clean sweep. I always felt that ROTK's success at the Oscars was to some extent recognition for the quality of the trilogy as a whole. I think TABA will stand the most chance of garnering awards for the same reason, so I don't think there's much point getting too worried about awards at this point.

Tol Eressea

Feb 11 2013, 12:13am

Post #7 of 38 (907 views)
I'm not too disappointed at this point [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree that of all 3 films, TABA stands the best chance. For one thing, this really is one film split into 3 parts. Just as they were somewhat reluctant to award LOTR until the final film I think we are going to have to wait.

I also think TABA stands the best chance for acting awards. Freeman has thus far been oustanding as Bilbo and I'd like to see him at least nominated by the 3rd film. I would think we would hopefully see that.

I'm not disappointed at this point. I will be by TABA if it doesn't receive noms and acting noms in particular. I also think Costume Hair and Makeup deserve noms and awards as well.

I get that some don't like the FX. I thought they were oustanding overall. The film editing on the other hand I felt could have used a bit heavier of a hand.


Feb 11 2013, 12:13am

Post #8 of 38 (950 views)
Yeah the visuals in LoP were fantastic [In reply to] Can't Post

Better for most than TH, though this is not to say TH had bad CGI etc just LoP's were better, i mean compare the tiger to the wargs - no comparison.

Also did anyone else notice the jibe to towards WB by Stephen Fry before Martin Freeman came out to present the award for best documentary? Saying they are going to squeeze it dry for money (Tolkien's works) then said, ' i mean lovingly craft..' Made me think of people on here, lol.


Feb 11 2013, 12:14am

Post #9 of 38 (889 views)
Yeah completely agree [In reply to] Can't Post

TABA stands the best chance and i think it will do the best just like ROTK did and i feel it will be for the reasons you give.

Tol Eressea

Feb 11 2013, 12:15am

Post #10 of 38 (917 views)
What about Gollum? [In reply to] Can't Post

Better than the tiger in my opinion.

Tol Eressea

Feb 11 2013, 12:22am

Post #11 of 38 (887 views)
I feel there's like a 5% chance if that for an actor nomination [In reply to] Can't Post

Considering LOTR as a whole only managed one nomination.

If anything, the move to summer for TABA indicates that the studio is less confident about any major awards. And personally, while it's nice for the people involved, i don't really care whether it wins a few technical awards or not.


Feb 11 2013, 12:24am

Post #12 of 38 (915 views)
Personally i didnt think so [In reply to] Can't Post

But then the tiger was a REAL tiger at times so it's hard to argue gollum was better than the real thing. For me the fact i couldnt tell when it was real or fake in the movie where as i always felt gollum werent real means for me the tiger is a little better.

But this is by the tiniest, tiniest margin, i felt gollum was unbelievably good and the only reason i go for the tiger is its a real world animal where as obviously gollum isn't, lol. I can see why you prefer gollum, it is close.

In a way it is more fair to compare gollum to the tiger - the amount of time put in to make them look good etc, but then i think a warg is more fair in some other ways when comparing it to a tiger as a warg is meant to be a wolf. When it came to texture of the coat and movement etc, the tiger just was a class of its own.

Weirdly for me Gollum looked better in 24fps than 48fps - the 48fps made gollum pop out more as 48fps seemed to do to the 3D (make it more 3D) but this also showed up any imperfections, little though they were.

Maybe my mind would be different if i saw LoP in 48fps, i dunno.

For me overall the CGI looked better in LoP but i can see why some think of Avatar - Whale scene comes to mind - for me that was magical in a way that TH just failed to capture overall.

Tol Eressea

Feb 11 2013, 12:29am

Post #13 of 38 (879 views)
I wouldn't mind them moving TABA [In reply to] Can't Post

To December honestly. I know they won't but I wouldn't mind it. These films own December and honestly I think it might do better (even though we have another year to wait after DoS). I'm sure the studio has a reason for wanting it released 6 months post DoS. It wouldn't bother me though if it was put back to December and the editing given top notch attention so that they have the best possible product on the screen.


Feb 11 2013, 1:01am

Post #14 of 38 (861 views)
If there was some sort of participation award... [In reply to] Can't Post

AUJ should certainly get one. I really liked that the set visit's reported that what you see in the Vlog's is genuine. A lot of people working very hard and having a great time as well.

Otherwise, I don't really expect AUJ to win much of anything. I don't think it really deserves to win anything either.

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Feb 11 2013, 1:07am

Post #15 of 38 (852 views)
Ugh [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm hopeful it will at least win 1 Oscar. It's worthy of one I feel but winning one or not doesn't take away for me how awesome the film was.


Feb 11 2013, 1:40am

Post #16 of 38 (844 views)
As impressive as he is, Gollum is old news [In reply to] Can't Post

They already won the Visual Effects Oscar for TTT and, seeing as Gollum is the most impressive effect in AUJ, I doubt the Academy will give it to them this time, just as BAFTA haven't.

They have a much better chance at nabbing it for either DoS or TABA. It all depends on how good Smaug ends up being.


Feb 11 2013, 1:42am

Post #17 of 38 (858 views)
BAFTAS [In reply to] Can't Post

Presented by Stephen Fry, different awards presented by Martin Freeman, Billy Connolly and Sir Ian Mckellen ....

....I was waiting for the moment when the BAFTAS were unexpectedly gatecrashed by 13 Dwarves Cool..

Grey Havens

Feb 11 2013, 3:23am

Post #18 of 38 (829 views)
Academy Awards [In reply to] Can't Post

The Fellowship of the Ring was a better movie than An Unexpected Journey. The weak start this time may end up hurting the remaining entries where before the first film help give the other two momentum. If The Desolation of Smaug contains the same sort of juvenile overindulgences and CGI that looked worse at times than what was done ten years ago by Jackson, I would predict no Oscars at all except technicals. They may be fine films and entirely enjoyable for a good ride and fun outing, but not worthy at the level established by An Unexpected Journey. It would be just another fantasy series - not THE fantasy series of a generation.

(This post was edited by JWPlatt on Feb 11 2013, 3:30am)


Feb 11 2013, 3:39am

Post #19 of 38 (795 views)
A song came to mind just now -- [In reply to] Can't Post

Where once was light
Now darkness falls
Where once was love,
Love is no more
Don't say goodbye
Don't say I didn't try

These tears we cry
are falling rain
For all the lies you told us
The hurt, the blame
And we will weep to be so alone
We are lost
We can never go home

So in the end,
I'll be what I will be
No loyal friend
was ever there for me
Now we say good-bye
We say you didn't try

These tears you cry
Have come too late
Take back the lies
The hurt the blame
And you will weep
when you face the end alone

You are lost
You can never go home
You are lost
You can never go home

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Feb 11 2013, 5:10am

Post #20 of 38 (744 views)
Oh, but it's over 45 seconds long... :) // [In reply to] Can't Post


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Feb 11 2013, 5:19am

Post #21 of 38 (803 views)
I think Martin thinks the same [In reply to] Can't Post

as you all can see in this interview from the Bafta's red carpet http://www.itv.com/...it-is-not-nominated/

He also said something interesting about the new filming they will do starting at the end of May and movie 2 and movie 3 filmings

"There is nothing like looking, if you want to find something."


Feb 11 2013, 7:22am

Post #22 of 38 (772 views)
Bloody is the wrong word... [In reply to] Can't Post

... surely. Expected, would be the right one, I guess.

And honestly - I totally understand why many people may think "more of the same" and NOT vote for the AUJ teams.

Especially WETA certainly does not "need" another Oscar ;)

Not that I would mind AUJ becoming an Oscar-winning movie... but I just think that many of those awards - especially the Oscars - are all about momentum. And the fact that AUJ even loses in Make-up to the - in my view - horrible make-up in Les Mis, is one more sign that the Hobbit did not build up any momentum what so ever.

And this, again, is not really bad - AUJ was more of the same in many ways.

I am sure if DoS and TABA are critically received a little bit better and have more new stuff than they will have some more noms (editing, music, cine, etc).

But other than art and technical categories, this movie series always had "LotR 2" written all over it for many the day it was announced. And especially art-wise it had to be, of course. But that is not the stuff Oscar-sweaps are made of. And it does not has to be. Remind yourself, what a great exception RotK was!


Feb 11 2013, 9:38am

Post #23 of 38 (713 views)
The Hobbit wins it's first Oscar! [In reply to] Can't Post

 Hobbit crew received early Oscar awards for science last night.

WETA won tonight's Scientific and Engineering Academy Award to Simon Clutterbuck, James Jacobs and Dr. Richard Dorling for the skin & muscle system that makes Gollum look like… Gollum.

That's got to count for something, anyway.

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The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

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Feb 11 2013, 10:28am

Post #24 of 38 (659 views)
I agree [In reply to] Can't Post

At no point did I think I was looking at anything that was not CGI and surely it is easier to do CGI with a Tiger we all know what a tiger looks like.


Feb 11 2013, 11:11am

Post #25 of 38 (689 views)
no BAFTAs [In reply to] Can't Post

I didn't really expect any to be honest.I think the film boards both here and in the US will pretty much ignore it save for one or two nods.I would imagine this is down to the fact that,as others have said,the 'vision' is not new anymore,they probably feel they've seen it all before which to a certain extent they have.also 'life of pi' is the flavour of the month kind of film just as the rings films were when they came out,rightly so as it is a top film.so we shouldn't read too much in to lack of awards for as we all know there have been many great movies made that never won anything.a film doesn't have to win awards to be loved or enjoyed.

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