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"The riddle of the Morgul Blade must be solved" - Why this statement was left in the movie ?!


Feb 10 2013, 11:47am

Post #1 of 11 (3474 views)
"The riddle of the Morgul Blade must be solved" - Why this statement was left in the movie ?! Can't Post

Since we can assume quite surely that Gandalf will explore the tombs in the EE it makes not much sense to me to leave that statement in the movie. All of the visitors who dont know that much about the book/the Backstory or the upcoming films will be irritated if that scene isnt in DoS or isnt mentioned anyway, i guess.
I cant imagine being the tombs in DoS,especially where ? To me its not that kinda flashback-scene like the Gandalf-Thrain-Story...because its more complex and a bit to "slow" to be used as a flashback.
I only can imagine that scene as a flashback if there will be another meeting of the White Council. Otherwise it seems very clear that we will get on the EE also because its already described in detail in the Art & Design-Book.

Your ideas?!


Feb 10 2013, 12:05pm

Post #2 of 11 (2573 views)
This reminds me of a scene in RoTK EE ... [In reply to] Can't Post

when the Fellowship are confronted by the Mouth of Sauron in front of the Black Gate.

That scene (as PJ also remarked), is somewhat redundant when the Lieutenant of Barad-dur implies Frodo is dead and the Fellowship are disheartened - because we the audience know that this isn't true - having seen Frodo alive and well just a few moments before.

Nonetheless it still is a great scene in its own right.

Similarly in this case, although the visit to the tombs will pretty much explain everything, I don't think that particular quote will be too much bothersome.

It's one of those moments, I think, were one will have to distinguish between the theatrical and extended cuts and decide which one to choose as the best form of narrative.

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(This post was edited by Arandir on Feb 10 2013, 12:07pm)

The Shire

Feb 10 2013, 1:55pm

Post #3 of 11 (2404 views)
I never really thought of it like that... [In reply to] Can't Post

When I watched the Black Gate scene I never really thought it was meant to trick us as an audience into thinking Frodo was dead. I think they audience would know deep down that they wouldn't drag us through three 3+ hour long movies just for Sauron to get the ring back and take over the world. I think it was more for the rest of the Fellowship to think Frodo just might be dead, which partially explains their suicidal actions in battle.

But otherwise, it is a bit much. I still didn't like how the ROTK EE took away from the power of the Army of the Dead attacking in the end. But I still love all of the EEs.

Grey Havens

Feb 10 2013, 2:08pm

Post #4 of 11 (2438 views)
Why EE? [In reply to] Can't Post

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Since we can assume quite surely that Gandalf will explore the tombs in the EE it makes not much sense to me to leave that statement in the movie.

Why can we assume this? The presence of the statement suggests to me that the opposite is true - that the tombs investigation by Gandalf will be shown in theatrical DoS. (Possibly in flashback, if this investigation is to have been done immediately after the Rivendell scenes of AUJ).


Feb 10 2013, 3:32pm

Post #5 of 11 (2328 views)
Well,i hope youre right but... [In reply to] Can't Post

i cant imagine this scene as a flashback for the reasons i mentioned. For me its a scene perfectly made for a EE...although i hope it will be shown in DoS.

Grey Havens

Feb 10 2013, 3:59pm

Post #6 of 11 (2302 views)
Exactly - it canm be a flashback as part of a WC meeting...// [In reply to] Can't Post



Feb 10 2013, 4:08pm

Post #7 of 11 (2303 views)
Right [In reply to] Can't Post

And the only possibility for a flashback i guess...cant see any other option.


Feb 10 2013, 6:52pm

Post #8 of 11 (2326 views)
Jackson said in a recent interview... [In reply to] Can't Post

...That the tombs will be in DOS.

Apparently Gandalf goes to investigate the tombs after leaving Bilbo and the Dwarves at the edge of Mirkwood.

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Feb 10 2013, 7:19pm

Post #9 of 11 (2269 views)
Which is kinda strange.. [In reply to] Can't Post

because he has to cross the misty mountains again then. (I know for PJ distances arent that important) And then, from the middle of "The Edge of the Wild" on the Soundtrack it sounds alot like the tombs-scene to me...

On the other hand. We know that those tombs are situated in Rhudaur..but do we know if they are on the right or on the left side of the misty mountains or maybe totally somewhere else in Rhudaur ?


Feb 11 2013, 12:30am

Post #10 of 11 (2209 views)
I thought Dol Guldur was South Mirkwood? [In reply to] Can't Post

In which case it makes sense to have Gandalf depart after Beorn exactly as in the books?

The Shire

Feb 11 2013, 5:58pm

Post #11 of 11 (2164 views)
In TH Chronicles... [In reply to] Can't Post

It says that "while Gandalf seeks answers below the misty mountains, Thorin attempts to lead his company over them. " Then it goes on to talk about the High Fells in detail and then about the Stone Giants
This means that the only way the tombs can be in DOS is if it is in a flashback as, chronologically, it happens in AUJ.
It also mentions that Gandalf is there with Radagast.


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