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a thought has crossed my mind: are we going to see old Bilbo again in DOS?

Oscarilbo
Lorien


Feb 8 2013, 6:42pm

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a thought has crossed my mind: are we going to see old Bilbo again in DOS? Can't Post

Is he writing the story as we are watching it? If so.. What if we are seeing old Bilbo again but this time older and writing the book (or finishing it) in Rivendell just as we saw him in FOTR???

what do you think will happen?

Don't know if this has been discussed before, sorry if so.

"The World is Changed, I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air"

(This post was edited by Oscarilbo on Feb 8 2013, 6:51pm)


Ardamírë
Valinor


Feb 8 2013, 6:59pm

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I don't think so [In reply to] Can't Post

At least, not in Rivendell. I don't think Holm has filmed more and different writing scenes. If there is more Old Bilbo, it's probably more at Bag-end.

There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall and the bells in the steeple, too.
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird is popping out to say coo-coo (coo-coo, coo-coo).


Oscarilbo
Lorien


Feb 8 2013, 7:04pm

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well... [In reply to] Can't Post

But we know Bilbo did not finished his book in Bag End, but in Rivendell, didn't he?

"The World is Changed, I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air"


Ardamírë
Valinor


Feb 8 2013, 7:08pm

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I don't think that's going to affect the films [In reply to] Can't Post

I think that we're not going to see Old Bilbo again. I think that we were just introduced to the idea of it being a young Bilbo and that the next two films won't take us back to the framing device.

There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall and the bells in the steeple, too.
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird is popping out to say coo-coo (coo-coo, coo-coo).


The White Wizard
The Shire


Feb 8 2013, 7:32pm

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Yes [In reply to] Can't Post

I actually have talked to people about this before, and I think that you are exactly right. I am 99% sure that he will be in DOS as I have seen evidence that he will be including Ian Holm being on the cast list for DOS. Also, although I have not seen any evidence to support it, it would make sense that they would show the older Bilbo in Rivendell since that is where he finished it. Also, I have seen no evidence to deny it either. I think it will start with another short introduction from Bilbo and then we will be watching the adventure again like in AUJ.


Escapist
Gondor


Feb 8 2013, 7:32pm

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I would love to see something like this happen. [In reply to] Can't Post

In this trilogy, though, I don't think that the kind of framing device you are suggesting would fit. I don't think it is PJ's style (he goes more for prologue/intro than a true frame), it doesn't fit with LoTR, and it would have had to have been set up in the first part of TH trilogy otherwise it wouldn't fit.

If the decision to do it had been made, it would have been better to make it earlier and do more with it in AUJ to justify seeing it again in the other two. As it is, what we had in AUJ was really more like a tie-in prologue of minimum possible screen time. The kind of thing you are suggesting could be great and has worked for many other films but it probably won't happen in these films.


Escapist
Gondor


Feb 8 2013, 7:36pm

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If Bilbo is part of a quickie intro prologue then I think it could work. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


arithmancer
Grey Havens

Feb 8 2013, 10:03pm

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My guess [In reply to] Can't Post

is that we will not see Old Bilbo in DoS. I could see having him in TABA, though, to close out the trilogy.


Verbal_Daggers
The Shire


Feb 8 2013, 10:39pm

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All for old Bilbo in Rivendell [In reply to] Can't Post

It would actually be really nice if the next or last movie included scenes with the old Bilbo finishing the book in Rivendell ... Maybe that could be the end of the last movie - and then you would see Frodo arriving there. Wouldn't that be awesome? A nice connection with the LOTR trilogy :) I hope that this is gonna happen!! I would cry!!


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Kelly of Water's Edge
Lorien

Feb 8 2013, 11:35pm

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I would think so. [In reply to] Can't Post

The prologue already established a link between Bilbo's experience and what would eventually happen to his three relatives, particularly his favorite Frodo. One would assume that the chain would come full circle in the end.


Escapist
Gondor


Feb 8 2013, 11:46pm

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If the end of TaBA includes the Bilbo/Frodo mini-frame [In reply to] Can't Post

but nothing in tDoS or the beginning of TaBA alludes to this ever ... do you think the audience will link back to the beginning of AUJ?

I think TORn sibs would make the link ... but a general audience?

I think there were many options for this kind of thing .. but once decisions were made about AUJ it limited the options of what would fit somewhat. There is still time, though. People are creative.


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Feb 9 2013, 1:43am

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*snicker* [In reply to] Can't Post

Sorry, your header just makes me giggle...


Elutherian
Rohan


Feb 9 2013, 5:03am

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I figured... [In reply to] Can't Post

...he wouldn't be in DOS, but would more likely appear at the end of TABA (in Rivindell) finishing up his book.

Not that it would be the absolute final scene, but just to bring it back to the storytelling device at some point.

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Escapist
Gondor


Feb 9 2013, 5:04am

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Lightice
Lorien

Feb 9 2013, 1:19pm

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I expect that every film of the trilogy will start with old Bilbo's prologue. [In reply to] Can't Post

PJ didn't introduce the framing device for giggles. He wanted to tie The Hobbit-trilogy to the LotR-trilogy as tightly as he could. Making the latter the framing device of the former seems to be the plan he's going with. As such, I'd be fairly surprised if there was no old Bilbo's narration at the start of all three films.


(This post was edited by Altaira on Jul 7 2013, 10:50pm)


painjoiker
Grey Havens


Feb 9 2013, 2:25pm

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I think we might get a voice-over/narration by Holm in DoS, [In reply to] Can't Post

but if we see him again it will be at the end of TaBA I think Smile

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(This post was edited by painjoiker on Feb 9 2013, 2:26pm)


Kendalf
Rohan


Feb 9 2013, 10:34pm

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Old Bilbo's voice, maybe, but not appearance [In reply to] Can't Post


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What if we are seeing old Bilbo again but this time older and writing the book (or finishing it) in Rivendell just as we saw him in FOTR???

I don't think we'll actually see old Bilbo at the start of DoS (or even TaBA):

1) There's the pacing issue, the one the critics kept referring to; if he was going to appear, I suspect he might not now
2) Frodo's already left to surprise Gandalf; what would we see other than him sitting at his desk (yet again)?
3) Your postulated relocation to Rivendell for any such scenes of Bilbo scribbling might confuse the uninitiated; where on earth is he now and why's he so old?

That's not to say we might not be treated to Holm-narrated prologues for DoS and TaBA; I just don't think he'll be on screen.

"I have found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love."


(This post was edited by Kendalf on Feb 9 2013, 10:35pm)


Scourge of the Stoors
Rivendell

Feb 12 2013, 11:20pm

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Don't bleed into LotR! [In reply to] Can't Post

It would suffice to hear Ian Holm's narration in the next two films, but I'd prefer not to see him again. It's hard to believe that he wrote even as much story as AUJ gives, not in the space of one morning. Logically, anything involving old Bilbo would have to take place after the beginning of FOTR. This is acceptable if we only hear his speech, but showing him again would bleed into the LOTR story and render the Hobbit trilogy a slave to the LoTR films.


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Feb 13 2013, 2:39am

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My guess would be [In reply to] Can't Post

that we won't see old Bilbo again until the end of TaBA, if at all.

 
 

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