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Theoden V Denethor-Battle of the Fogies

The Shire

Dec 6 2007, 8:24pm

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Obvious choice here would be the battle-hardened Theoden who we actually see fight in the books and movies, Denethor in comparison didn't do much fighting in the books or movies, but i dont think he would be inept with a sword especially with constant war with the east and south.

tuff contest

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The Shire

Dec 6 2007, 9:05pm

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I think I would put my bet on Denethor. He came from a higher line; the blood of Numenor ran through his vains. He was strong, able to wrestle with Sauron through the Palantir (and while Sauron was able to manipulate what Denethor saw, Denethor was nonetheless strong enough to exert some measure of control, even though the Palantir was not rightfully his). I believe that Denethor would have been a most formidable opponent!

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Dec 6 2007, 11:07pm

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When Denethor ran off a cliff Theoden whould win

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Dec 7 2007, 4:47pm

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I'm going with Denethor here [In reply to] Can't Post

He was a warrior in his younger days and still slept in mail and wielded a sword in later years, plus there's the Numenorean blood factor. And Denethor is ruthless in a way that Theoden (although tough-minded) is not.

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The Shire

Dec 7 2007, 11:45pm

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I can't help, falling in love... [In reply to] Can't Post

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When Denethor ran off a cliff Theoden whould win

Unless Denathor landed on him. Then it would be a draw.


Dec 10 2007, 5:56pm

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I'd have to agree on the 'ruthless' factor [In reply to] Can't Post

So I'd go with Denethor too, in that respect.


Dec 13 2007, 6:54am

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tough [In reply to] Can't Post

part of me wants to say Theoden, but I don't really know. I'm going to say, during Denethors earlier years, he would have won, but during the time of LotR, Theoden would have won.

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Dec 13 2007, 5:25pm

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Theoden [In reply to] Can't Post

I think it would be Theoden. He fought himself and let the army until the very end.

We have not seen anything of Denethor's fighting abilility.

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Westu Eomer hal!

The Shire

Dec 19 2007, 10:38pm

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Don't you think... [In reply to] Can't Post

Don't you think Theodin would just trample Denethor with his horse and be done with it?

Also...I hate to put this in such explicit terms...but if we're talking about movie Denethor, well, he's kind of whiny bitch, don't you think?


Dec 31 2007, 6:32pm

Post #10 of 13 (913 views)
Good solution! [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree with your solution!


Barahli of Rohan

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Dec 31 2007, 6:43pm

Post #11 of 13 (1108 views)
Theoden [In reply to] Can't Post

The two square off to fight. Denethor, who has slept, sat, showered, and everthing else in his armor for the past few weeks, opens his breastplate and nearly knocks Theoden down with a whiff of his inner mushroom. But Theoden, who has spent the past months in just such a fungal condition courtesy of Wormtongue, is used to such spore emission and stays on his feet. He then sprays Denethor with a 5.25% mixture of sodium hypochlorite and rinses with water. The attendands clean up what's left with a mop and a bucket.

The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.


Nov 13 2009, 1:35am

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Theoden V Denethor-Battle of the Fogies [In reply to] Can't Post

theoden would totally massacre denethor!


Jun 29 2013, 2:56pm

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