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SirDennisC
Half-elven


Feb 7 2013, 3:08am

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Tis a nice change of pace is all, and a bit of fun at that. [In reply to] Can't Post

we have so few nonsense threads these days. As Tim would say, "why so serious?" Cool


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Feb 7 2013, 3:34am

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Actually, it might be more entertaining [In reply to] Can't Post

if we leave Bifur's pants off.

Not sure where I'm going with that one, though...


GothmogTheBalrog
Rivendell


Feb 7 2013, 4:13am

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Nonsense threads [In reply to] Can't Post

I can deal with those.

Hey, Mushroombear, Radagast actually is part of Tolkien's works. A lot of people thought that the Dwarves were excellently done. Also,TH:AUJ is obviously about Bilbo, who was a magnificent character.

"It was like a great shadow, in the middle of which was a dark form, of man shape maybe, yet greater; and a power and terror seemed to be in it and go before it." ~FotR


Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Feb 7 2013, 4:34am

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Which movie are you disparaging? [In reply to] Can't Post

I can ot be "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" as it has none of the qualities you attribute to it. You must have gotten in the wrong theater by mistake. That is really too bad. My heart goes out to you.


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JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Feb 7 2013, 4:56am

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Legos [In reply to] Can't Post


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Legos are not cheap!

Tongue

As a parent, I can vouch for this. Legos are not cheap.

I liked the movie, except for three things: The CGI Bridge, Thorin's fake-out anger hug, and... something else I'm forgetting.

Me thinks thou (the OP) protests too much.


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Feb 7 2013, 4:59am

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Best Shyamamamamalalalan Of The Year [In reply to] Can't Post


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I can't believe you would talk about The Last Airbender that way!! That was the best film that M. Night Shyamalan released that whole year!

The best Shyamalanalalalananan movie of the year? You do know, don't you, that we can take that claim in a couple of different ways. Yes, I think you do know that.


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Feb 7 2013, 5:08am

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Ride My Seesaw [In reply to] Can't Post


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When did speaking one's mind become trolling? Just as others have the right to express their love for the "film," I have the right to express my distaste. And I shall.
For one thing, why does Radagast the Brown have to exist? He is such an annoying, atrocious, despicable character. WORSE than Jar Jar Binks. And why on Earth is there bird feces in his hair? WHY!? There is simply no getting around the fact that matter excreted from a bird's rectum IS IN HIS HAIR!! I AM AWARE THAT THE HOBBIT IS A LIGHTER BOOK THAN LORD OF THE RINGS. THEY DID NOT NEED TO CONVEY THIS USING BIRD POOP!!
I believe that someone else mentioned that their friend wanted to kill all the dwarves. Yet, how can you want to kill someone who you don't know? This film doesn't know whether it's main focus is on Bilbo or the thirteen dwarves. It tries to handle both, and fails miserably, as both the dwarves AND Bilbo are all awful characters who undergo little to no development.


LOL. Well, to answer your question and rather extreme stated distaste for the movie with a metaphor, it does really seem that you are sitting as far back on the seesaw as you can just to let it go and watch everyone fall.

Thanks for reminding me of Radajar. That was the third thing I didn't like about the film that I couldn't remember in my other comment above. Peter Jackson can easily get really juvenile at times. Kinda like kids on seesaws who just want a reaction. But agreed - the undignified gross mischaracterization of Jargast was an insult to the Istari.


(This post was edited by JWPlatt on Feb 7 2013, 5:16am)


Old Toby
Gondor


Feb 7 2013, 5:27am

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Now wait just a cotton-pickin' minute [In reply to] Can't Post

I take umbrage at your disparaging remark about Denny's!Evil

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Feb 7 2013, 5:34am

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New, improved version of original post! [In reply to] Can't Post

I took all words in the original post for this thread, sorted them in absolute statistically random order, and the result is what you see below. I added punctuation and capital letters where they seemed good to me. I suggest this is an improvement.

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Is fail "films", and which causes with "films" the meals merchandising. Why only you "film" this to see? I ever film this trilogy, which a solely three, even it's -5/10. An for that's three of material and a simply classic from Tolkien's long added one stuff. And being grab garbage hour, I'm just awful not enough the to near shameless for of even appendices the remotely a there kind call. The even useless Lego is unbalanced purpose disgusting. Speaking of how disgrace ,worst one made and it to justify save cheap exposition absolutely cash trilogy a is nowhere "The Last Airbender", but decent can-toys through sorry Denny's.


GothmogTheBalrog
Rivendell


Feb 7 2013, 5:37am

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You actually spent time doing that? [In reply to] Can't Post

That's pretty funny. Much better than the original post.

"It was like a great shadow, in the middle of which was a dark form, of man shape maybe, yet greater; and a power and terror seemed to be in it and go before it." ~FotR


Old Toby
Gondor


Feb 7 2013, 5:42am

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What's frightening is.... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think this actually makes sense to me! Tongue

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Arandiel
Grey Havens

Feb 7 2013, 5:50am

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Ummm... possibly off to start a pants thread? :) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Roheryn
Grey Havens

Feb 7 2013, 6:55am

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Excel is my friend. [In reply to] Can't Post

I was curious whether random order would improve things, and I think it does.


peace1993
Bree


Feb 7 2013, 7:11am

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His name says it all [In reply to] Can't Post

It is his excessive consumption of mushrooms. They have addled his brain and yellowed his teeth.

Sam: Trust a Brandybuck and a Took.
Merry: What? That was just a detour, a shortcut.
Sam: Shortcut to what?
Pippin: Mushrooms!


jtarkey
Rohan


Feb 7 2013, 10:21am

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It's funny that a post like this is getting so much attention [In reply to] Can't Post

But I have to admit, It's actually nice for me to see someone bashing this movie. It really seems like a lot of people on this board are willing to turn a blind eye to all the films faults simply because it is The Hobbit. While I enjoy the film a lot, I feel it has huge cinematic shortcomings that most "non fans" can pick up on right away. Usually, people around here are lambasted for expressing their distaste with the film. I'll give the OP props for turning the tables.

His points are valid as far as I'm concerned. The way he expressed those points is another story. Gotta give it to him. He made a successful thread.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"


GiantMushroomBear
Bree

Feb 7 2013, 10:51am

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If the "film"... [In reply to] Can't Post

...wasn't called "The Hobbit", but the plot and events were all the same, would you still like it? I can guarantee that if this were just some kids' fantasy "film", you would all recognize it for the silly, bloated, tonally inconsistent garbage pile it is.

And I'm the troll? Look at some of the posts on this board!


peace1993
Bree


Feb 7 2013, 10:52am

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The thing is that [In reply to] Can't Post

criticism should be carried out in a constructive manner. Loads of people have expressed their dislikes about the film over the last two months and none of them were lambasted. The site is said to have been forged by and for fans of Middle-Earth. Mr/Mrs BigMushroomBear doesn't sound like a fan, just someone who has posted to get some attention and make the real fans go haywire with madness!!

Sam: Trust a Brandybuck and a Took.
Merry: What? That was just a detour, a shortcut.
Sam: Shortcut to what?
Pippin: Mushrooms!

(This post was edited by Altaira on Feb 8 2013, 3:25am)


jimmyfenn
Rohan


Feb 7 2013, 10:53am

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ouch [In reply to] Can't Post

We must accept that some people think hobbits are stupid and really wouldnt want to see this film.

now accepting that its not a bad film, it is a run of the mill action flick, with cheesy lines and predictable narrative.

the thing that i love about the film is its visuals,the story that its based on, that i love, and some great individual actors doing some cool stuff. cool cgi, new technology, and general overall fantasy loveliness!

i do feel now del toro might have made a much more interesting introspective coming of age type film, somehting with a bit more substance, but ill take this romp for now!

also the merchandising and general hollywoodness of this franchise is sickening! euurgghh

"You Tolkien to me?!" - Hobbit de Niro

(This post was edited by Altaira on Feb 8 2013, 3:32am)


GiantMushroomBear
Bree

Feb 7 2013, 11:00am

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Simple math [In reply to] Can't Post


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How do you know there isn't enough material for three movies? Have you seen the whole triology? I think it's too early for complaints like this...


This isn't rocket science.

LOTR-1500 pages-3 movies.
TH-300 pages-3 movies?

It's so obviously a cash grab, and I feel so sorry for anyone else who doesn't realize this! Frown


jtarkey
Rohan


Feb 7 2013, 11:16am

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I've been personally attacked for expressing my problems with the film [In reply to] Can't Post

And I've seen it happen to other posters as well. I'm a fan of both the LOTR film trilogy and all of Tolkien's books. I'm also a big movie buff, and for me, the film has a lot of problems as a piece of cinematic story telling. I feel more inclined to comment on the negatives because there are so many threads here that praise the film.

There are a ton of things I love about it simply because I am a fan of Tolkien. As a fan of film as well, this movie fails in a lot of ways. A lot of fans can't seem to put all the pieces together. The film has received very mixed reviews. It hasn't been nominated for any major awards. This is not due to the difference in narrative from LOTR. In my heart, I feel it just wasn't executed as well.

As I've said before, a film doesn't need to have apocalyptic themes to succeed. I can think of countless films made for children that resonate with people of all ages on a creative and emotional level. For me, AUJ does not do this very well. It has it's high points, and it's VERY low points. It's really just an alright film that I happen to like because I'm a Tolkien fan.

This is simply my opinion. Once again, the OP is out of line. But he has some valid points that everyone outside of the Tolkien community seems to recognize.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"


peace1993
Bree


Feb 7 2013, 11:30am

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You are just skimming the surface and complaining [In reply to] Can't Post

Its all about the difference in narrative styles. The Hobbit being a children's book is pretty straight forward in it's narration. The characters are not fleshed out and a lot of scenes are not described in detail. However, LOTR is meant for a much more mature audience. Hence, there are a lot more details and imagery along with plenty of character development.
Consider this: If The Silmarillion was brought on-screen, they would have to make at least 20 movies, even though the book is only 365 pages long.

Sam: Trust a Brandybuck and a Took.
Merry: What? That was just a detour, a shortcut.
Sam: Shortcut to what?
Pippin: Mushrooms!

(This post was edited by peace1993 on Feb 7 2013, 11:36am)


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Grey Havens

Feb 7 2013, 11:33am

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Iīm gonna do... [In reply to] Can't Post

A negative thread, and I hope you and the rest that didnīt like the film, will be able to expres with respect our complains, check out the boards

The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true!


jtarkey
Rohan


Feb 7 2013, 12:01pm

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This is what I'm talking about exactly. [In reply to] Can't Post

I explicitly stated that this is simply my opinion of the film. I'm certainly not skimming the surface. Let me use an example...

The first Land Before Time film is a cartoon made for children. It has talking dinosaurs, and improbable scenarios. The main characters want to find a new home. Does that sound familiar?

I love that film as an adult just as much as I did when I was a kid. It has a strong narrative, and an emotional pull that appeals to audiences of all ages.

I like to feel I am intelligently stating my opinions, and not attacking people who love the film. I also love a lot of things about it. But IN MY OPINION, the film could have done a better job at drawing in a general movie-going audience. If the production was able to invent story-lines and characters that didn't exist in the original book, then they could have invented an emotional pull to the film as well. But they didn't. They went for action, CGI, and silliness instead.

I actually love children's books and films because they are able to portray basic human emotion in a very clever way. AUJ did not do this for me. So the argument that the difference in narratives means The Hobbit needs to be dumbed down is not valid for me.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"


Angharad73
Rohan

Feb 7 2013, 12:58pm

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Fine by me... [In reply to] Can't Post

So you didn't like the movie. That's ok. Everyone is entitled to their very own opinion. You got yours, I got mine. I loved the movie. If that, in some people's opinion, makes me a dumb bunny or whatever, I can live with that. I'll still go and see the other two movies, and I'm sure I'll enjoy them just as much as the first. Cool


Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


Feb 7 2013, 12:59pm

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If you don't mind I'm just going to give Gandalf a ring, so he can turn you to stone!// [In reply to] Can't Post

Laugh

"These are Gundabad Wargs! They will outrun you!"

"THESE are Rhosgobel Rabbits! I'd like to see them try...."



(This post was edited by Radagast-Aiwendil on Feb 7 2013, 1:01pm)

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