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A continuing vexation over the seeming lack of reverance shown by Galadriel to Gandalf, despite her knowledge of what he is and her high esteem of him. I hope they will rectify this in the coming films.

AinurOlorin
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Feb 6 2013, 10:23pm


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A continuing vexation over the seeming lack of reverance shown by Galadriel to Gandalf, despite her knowledge of what he is and her high esteem of him. I hope they will rectify this in the coming films. Can't Post

I don't mean to gripe. I really enjoyed, even loved, some parts of the interaction between the two. Their obvious camraderie, and Galadriel's affectionate concern for the Wizard were especially pleasing to me. Yet, through it all she was portrayed too much as somehow superior to him, which was deeply problematic. She seemed at all points the director and advisor, but never the advised. The dynamic hearkened too much to her interactions with Frodo and Aragorn. . . that dynamic was pitch perfect in relation to both of them, but completely wrong in interaction with one of The Ainur, The Holy Spirits who formed the world, even an Ainur in a limited incarnation. We know that Galadriel greatly valued and trusted in the wisdom of Gandalf, and we know that she had desired his leadership for THe Council. We also know that she knew what he truly was. There is, unfortunately and dissapointingly, no evidence of that in this film. Another poster noted that her husband was not sure whether or not Galadriel was one of the Wizards! And I can understand how he came to such a conclusion. If not for the fact that it is earlier mentioned that there are only Five Wizards, including Gandalf, Saruman and Radagast, with the two Blue Wizards off stage, I think any layperson might easily draw that same notion. She is portrayed almost as being the co-leader of The Council alongside Saruman.

I love Galadriel, and she was both wise and mighty, even among The Noldor, and I am glad to see her portrayed thus. But she was not without flaws of pride and early folly. And she had been a student of the Maiar Ainur, but she was NOT their tutor, neither Melian's nor Olorin's. The Istari were not even answerable to each other (aside from that being specifically stated, one recalls a certain Wizard sitting aside and blowing smokerings whilst Saruman spoke. . . then issuing a very precise number of rings, and holding up his hand to make them vanish before the other Wizard's eyes), certainly they were not answerable to any of The Eldar. The Valar and Eru were their directors and sole superiors, not Galadriel of Valinor, Doriath and Lothlorien. I am HAPPY to see Galadriel portayed as a mighty and great Power in Middle-Earth. But it is wrong for them to diminsih or make servile Gandalf in the process. The Wizards were sent to give counsel, advice, motivation and aid to ALL the people's of Middle-Earth, including the High Elves who remained, from the greatest to the least. All people, from the remaining Noldor to the Hobbits of The Shire, were Gandalf's concern, who had thought and pity even for the slaves of Sauron.

My hope is, in the following films, he will give as much counsel to The Lady of Lorien as he receives, recalling to mind the scene in Unfinished tales whereupon he tells her that, contrary to her fears, The Valar have not put Middle-Earth and those who dwell thereupon out of their thought. And hopefully she will be seen to show him more reverance as well, even if it is merely the same tilt of the head that he gives to her.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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A continuing vexation over the seeming lack of reverance shown by Galadriel to Gandalf, despite her knowledge of what he is and her high esteem of him. I hope they will rectify this in the coming films. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 6 2013, 10:23pm
    They've gone to too much trouble... Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Feb 6 2013, 11:14pm
        It is shameful. Him being a Great Wizard (and a Holy Spirit veiled in flesh) does not AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 6 2013, 11:30pm
            Quite shameful indeed! Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Feb 7 2013, 4:05pm
                We should take both of those options under advisement, and AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 7 2013, 4:24pm
                    On a more serious note... Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Feb 7 2013, 4:40pm
                        Actually, there is a very intimate encounter between them which Tolkien relays, AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 7 2013, 4:49pm
                            UT material Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 7 2013, 5:06pm
                                I agree... Ereinion Nénharma Send a private message to Ereinion Nénharma Feb 7 2013, 5:11pm
                            I'm not sure how they could portray this. Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Feb 7 2013, 5:07pm
                                I wouldn't expect them to portray this scene. They can't. They COULD AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 7 2013, 5:18pm
                                    I have no idea why someone would think she was his superior. Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Feb 7 2013, 9:21pm
                                        A LOT of people thought so. Problematically, the people who lacked the prior knowledge to know better. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 7 2013, 9:54pm
                                            Galadriel is walking IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Feb 8 2013, 1:43am
                                                I was actually suggesting that the seating denoted an honouring of the Istari, not the Elves. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 8 2013, 2:09am
                                                    I like your suggestion about the seating Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Feb 8 2013, 3:29am
                                                        I get what you are saying, and there is some truth in what you are saying, however her AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 8 2013, 7:13am
                                                            The White Council scene Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Feb 8 2013, 8:15am
                                                                Elf Portrayal and Gandalf Personality Mahtion Send a private message to Mahtion Feb 8 2013, 2:24pm
                                                                    I think you mistake the meaning of the complaint.. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 10 2013, 1:36am
                                                    Point well taken IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Feb 8 2013, 3:17pm
                                                        point 4 Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 8 2013, 4:30pm
    Galadriel and gandalf Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 6 2013, 11:39pm
        Only the "Why the Halfling" line. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 6 2013, 11:56pm
            yes, true Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 6 2013, 11:59pm
            Dol Goldur Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 7 2013, 12:15am
                Well . . . I don't want to get into what it means for him to carry him from AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 7 2013, 12:17am
                    Like echoing the staff breaking in Minias Tirith Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 7 2013, 12:43am
                        Ach! God. I blot it from my mind. Thank God it was only in EE, NOT the theatrical. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 7 2013, 1:08am
                            too far in (?) Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 7 2013, 1:38am
                                If only it were clearly even equal! AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 7 2013, 4:02am
                                    In the high fells ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Feb 7 2013, 9:29am
                        I hate that scene The White Wizard Send a private message to The White Wizard Feb 9 2013, 2:23pm
                            Theatrical need Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 9 2013, 3:32pm
            Interpretation Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Feb 7 2013, 2:31am
    Legal issues Fredeghar Wayfarer Send a private message to Fredeghar Wayfarer Feb 7 2013, 10:20am
        The Appendices already say that they are sent from The Lords of The West. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 7 2013, 4:10pm
        This makes me wonder... Ereinion Nénharma Send a private message to Ereinion Nénharma Feb 7 2013, 4:57pm
            Elrond knew. Cirdan and Glorfindel knew. Others of the Eldar may have guessed, but they did not definitively know until the end of The Third Age. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 7 2013, 5:05pm
                Thank you... Ereinion Nénharma Send a private message to Ereinion Nénharma Feb 7 2013, 5:13pm
                    You are AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 7 2013, 5:19pm
                        For love of a Wizard. Its threads like this Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 7 2013, 5:59pm
                            *blushes mightily* AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 7 2013, 8:49pm
    Being mad on Istari-justice, I agree with you, though I think it depends on interpretation Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Feb 7 2013, 12:53pm
        Yup MorgolKing Send a private message to MorgolKing Feb 7 2013, 1:40pm
    Then you'll love the Dol Guldur scenes stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Feb 7 2013, 2:44pm
        Gandalf became mightier later on Mahtion Send a private message to Mahtion Feb 7 2013, 3:40pm
            Whaaaaaa? AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 7 2013, 4:19pm
    I don't think that Galadriel's depiction is that far off... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Feb 7 2013, 3:53pm
        She invited them, and asked that Gandalf be the leader of The Council entire. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 7 2013, 4:23pm
            Even then, she did not get her way... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Feb 7 2013, 4:27pm
                It wasn't Saruman's insistence but Gandalf's refusal that settled the matter. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 7 2013, 4:44pm
    I hope they will do no such thing dubulous Send a private message to dubulous Feb 7 2013, 5:54pm
        Humble in part by choice, Dubulous. Humple, not subserviant. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 7 2013, 8:45pm
    It's a different canon now Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Feb 7 2013, 10:01pm
    The "Nine Reasons Why" article on home page Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Feb 9 2013, 11:25pm

 
 
 

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