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FarFromHome
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Feb 6 2013, 2:05pm


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(to you and NoWizardMe) for your kind words!

I think I should add that I didn't intend my "solution" to sound as if it's some kind of "final answer" to the question of how Gollum did it (i.e. got out of Moria). It was just an attempt to see how far the actual text could help us if we want to come up with an explanation of the puzzle TolkienForever posed.

I like the idea of the shafts mainly because they are mentioned at just that part of the story where Gollum comes right up to the Fellowship. I can imagine him getting as close to Frodo as he dares in the great hall, but then deciding that he can't risk anything more at the moment and working out where to go from here. It's still early in the night when Frodo sees the eyes (he has the first watch), and by the time he wakes up to see daylight through the shafts, Gollum could be long gone.

As we find out later, Gollum is much more able to get around on sheer surfaces than the hobbits are, so I could imagine there being at least one shaft that he could get at. Of course, even if he does get out through one, he's still on the mountainside, higher up than the Gate, and will have to climb down, but again that's something he's pretty good at. The shafts could be completely impractical for the Fellowship (too high, too narrow, and leading to sheer mountainside) and still be okay for Gollum, I think.

But as dormouse says there are probably plenty of hidden tunnels and passages he could have used. I guess the main point here is that Gollum disappears after this, so there's plenty of time and scope for him to make his escape before things start hotting up!

They went in, and Sam shut the door.
But even as he did so, he heard suddenly,
deep and unstilled,
the sigh and murmur of the Sea upon the shores of Middle-earth.
From the unpublished Epilogue to the Lord of the Rings


Subject User Time
How'd He Do That? Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jan 30 2013, 8:34pm
    The orcs got out rather quickly CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 30 2013, 8:57pm
        No Time...Plus.... Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jan 30 2013, 11:00pm
    Assumptions Mim Send a private message to Mim Jan 30 2013, 11:24pm
        Silly Me Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jan 31 2013, 1:24am
            I'm very sorry that Tolkien didn't spell everything out for you. Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 31 2013, 3:35pm
                My Reply Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jan 31 2013, 4:45pm
                    explanations and speculation - something the Tolkiens started! noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 3 2013, 1:18pm
                        Other uses of the Bridge of Khazad-dum squire Send a private message to squire Feb 3 2013, 2:30pm
                            Nice one! I did say "tastes vary!"... // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 3 2013, 3:21pm
                    A bit of textual backup... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Feb 5 2013, 11:06am
                        Really like your post... literal versus literary aspects noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 5 2013, 11:29am
                        About the shafts CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Feb 5 2013, 2:50pm
                            'Rope!' muttered Sam.... noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 5 2013, 5:06pm
                            Thanks FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Feb 6 2013, 2:05pm
                                Excellent, as usual! // sador Send a private message to sador Feb 6 2013, 2:34pm
                                There are no final answers, but that one is a good one :) // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Feb 6 2013, 6:23pm
    The mountain seemed to be riddled with tunnels and passages... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jan 30 2013, 11:44pm
        So he beat them all out. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jan 31 2013, 5:06am
        This +1 // Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Feb 8 2013, 5:03pm

 
 
 

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