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Gelir
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Feb 6 2013, 4:28am


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For the goblins, however, it felt a bit like slaughter. I don't know why, but I had always felt that the Goblin King's death was quite violent, and his body falling on top of the dwarves at the end seemed a bit much -- since it was played for laughs. In the EE I hope they would extend the Goblin King's scene and actually have him do something horrible to the dwarves to sort of 'justify' his death.


I think the goblins are very evil, even if there are humorous moments. It was like slaughter, but not unjustified. What else could the dwarves do? If the goblins had nicely stepped aside, they would have run out of there without any killing. The goblins were attacking them as they were trying to flee, so they did what they had to do.

The goblin king was indeed about to do horrible things (or get his underlings to do them). "Bones will be shattered, necks will be wrung. You'll be beaten and battered, from racks you'll be hung. You will die down here and never be found, down in the deep of goblin town." I think that pretty much says it all right there.

Just for good measure though - what about "kill them, kill them all! Cut off his head!" :)

With the wargs - I understand what everyone is saying about animals, and in life I feel the same way. I'd certainly never go on a wolf killing spree. However... if I was in a situation where it was either kill a wolf or be killed by one, with escape being impossible, I'd opt for trying to kill the wolf. And in the movies, I think it's pretty clear that the wargs are not wolves, and they are evil.

As for the trolls... I do prefer them getting turned to stone vs. killed by swords, but I think they also got what was coming to them. They'd just eaten a farmer and his family, after all.

None of this is to say that I'm in favor of all the killing or battle scenes. I generally prefer for action scenes to be shorter - in this movie, LotR, or pretty much any other movie with long action scenes, fantasy or not. I do enjoy the battle scenes in the Hobbit, but had they opted to shorten them up in favor of something else (maybe more dialogue from some of the dwarves we didn't hear from as much), I'd have been perfectly happy with that.

I just think that given the scenes as presented, the dwarves, Bilbo, and Gandalf did the right thing when facing danger.

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Comments from a non-fan Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Feb 5 2013, 4:14pm
    sweet! swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Feb 5 2013, 4:27pm
    An episodic story is perfect Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Feb 5 2013, 4:31pm
    Too much killing Yva Send a private message to Yva Feb 5 2013, 5:58pm
        My thoughts Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Feb 6 2013, 2:49am
            But wait... Gelir Send a private message to Gelir Feb 6 2013, 4:28am
                Heh Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Feb 6 2013, 5:06am
                    No sympathy for goblins :) Gelir Send a private message to Gelir Feb 7 2013, 4:41am
                The Goblin Town sequence was too long. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Feb 6 2013, 5:11am
                    Agree sevilodorf Send a private message to sevilodorf Feb 7 2013, 2:35am
        There were moments when it was too graphic. Thror really stands out. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 6 2013, 4:51am
    Interesting// Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Feb 5 2013, 6:05pm
    nice to hear... andwise Send a private message to andwise Feb 5 2013, 8:17pm
        Spouses, my husband... glor Send a private message to glor Feb 6 2013, 2:29am
            I laughed out loud at 'proper blokes' Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Feb 6 2013, 5:14am
                Yap Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Feb 6 2013, 8:37am
                well My husband is a 'proper bloke', born in the East End of London.. glor Send a private message to glor Feb 6 2013, 12:23pm
            ROFL Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Feb 6 2013, 5:10pm
                Too funny! Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 6 2013, 8:11pm
                    He read it :-)?! Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Feb 7 2013, 4:01pm
                        Well, I figure he did... Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 7 2013, 8:25pm
                            I used to think entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Feb 7 2013, 9:40pm
                                Who wouldn't Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 7 2013, 11:01pm
                                    TMI, Ro entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Feb 7 2013, 11:04pm
                the weird thing is... glor Send a private message to glor Feb 7 2013, 1:19am
                    BIGWIT! lol! // Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Feb 7 2013, 4:07pm
    The sheer amount of Goblin hacking is overwhelming Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Feb 6 2013, 1:26am
    All right. I think that is a fair read. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 6 2013, 4:01am
        Yep Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Feb 6 2013, 5:10am
    Nice to read! sador Send a private message to sador Feb 6 2013, 9:29am
    Blue wizards will never appear because of film rights stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Feb 6 2013, 1:31pm
        Even the fact that they are "blue" Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Feb 6 2013, 1:51pm
            Be quiet AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 6 2013, 9:53pm
                Naturally, no! Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Feb 6 2013, 11:09pm
                    lol. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Feb 7 2013, 12:19am
    interesting insight FrogmortonJustice65 Send a private message to FrogmortonJustice65 Feb 6 2013, 3:56pm
        Troll "battle"/book version arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Feb 6 2013, 4:46pm

 
 
 

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