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Is this Dol Guldur or the High Fells?

Arandir
Gondor


Feb 5 2013, 3:38pm

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Is this Dol Guldur or the High Fells? Can't Post

Ever since seeing both the teaser and the official trailer for AUJ it always seemed to me that these scenes took place in Dol Guldur.

However, upon further inspection (and after seeing the film), I highly doubt this. I think it is more likely that they are from the High Fells (which may probably make it into the EE).

The first two images seems to be a no-brainer in the fact that they leads immediately to the third image. Apart from that, the idea of the "a tomb so dark" as spoke in the White Council seems more appropriate:
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On the other hand, this website explains how the images might all relate to Dol Guldur.

Has anyone else thought about this and where the place might actually be?

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Ardamírë
Valinor


Feb 5 2013, 4:14pm

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That's my guess. But I do think we're seeing both Dol Guldor and the fells in the trailers. It's not just one or the other. I don't know what the red circle is for on the other website. Just because there's no tree right there doesn't mean there's some sort of secret entry so far away from the building. I think that's a stretch.

There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall and the bells in the steeple, too.
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird is popping out to say coo-coo (coo-coo, coo-coo).


Arandir
Gondor


Feb 5 2013, 4:22pm

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I don't know what the red circle is for on the other website. Just because there's no tree right there doesn't mean there's some sort of secret entry so far away from the building.

Hmmm ... I think what they were referring to was that maybe the shape of the space is similar to the tunnel Gandalf walks through - which may be plausible but I guess not substantial Unsure

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Vangalad
Lorien


Feb 5 2013, 4:31pm

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Once this High Fells story kicked in, [In reply to] Can't Post

I spent some time searching maps of Middle earth and whatever possible source to find if this location exists and if it has any significance in the history of the northern realms... There was nothing. Crazy

Now, concerning the pics, there is evidence they are from the High Fells / tombs of the nazgul and it comes from the weta chronicles book.
I have it and there are descriptions and sketches of Gandalf investigating this place, which looks like what the trailer and the pics show.


All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost,
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Feb 5 2013, 4:34pm

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The shape doesn't look similar to me at all, though. [In reply to] Can't Post

It's just a black spot that looks like an upside down trapezoid. I just don't buy it.

There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall and the bells in the steeple, too.
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird is popping out to say coo-coo (coo-coo, coo-coo).


Arandir
Gondor


Feb 5 2013, 4:44pm

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Pretty much confirmed then I guess ... [In reply to] Can't Post


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Now, concerning the pics, there is evidence they are from the High Fells / tombs of the nazgul and it comes from the weta chronicles book.
I have it and there are descriptions and sketches of Gandalf investigating this place, which looks like what the trailer and the pics show.


Thanks for that info! Smile

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Vangalad
Lorien


Feb 5 2013, 5:20pm

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You're welcome :-) [In reply to] Can't Post

It must be a very interesting event in the AUJ EE or DOS.

Dan Hennah and Alan Lee describe it in the chronicles book :

''this place is not a shrine but rather an indictment, a prison for the dead.'' [..] The tunnel is a ramp that would shoot the unprepared down into the shaft. [..] Radagast and Gandalf had to be able to descend it with difficulty. [..] Everything about the design of the Kings' tomb was intended to make one feel uncomfortable. It'a a very sinister place. There is a pathway around the side of the chasm [..] it's made up of jutting stones. When Gandalf is climbing around in there it's the last place you'd want to be,and the crypts themselves are torn open from the inside.''


All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost,
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 5 2013, 11:55pm

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Those three are the fells, However, the Other trailer Images of him with Thrain, and of him [In reply to] Can't Post

walking with Glamdring are all of Dol Guldur.

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Ever since seeing both the teaser and the official trailer for AUJ it always seemed to me that these scenes took place in Dol Guldur.

However, upon further inspection (and after seeing the film), I highly doubt this. I think it is more likely that they are from the High Fells (which may probably make it into the EE).

The first two images seems to be a no-brainer in the fact that they leads immediately to the third image. Apart from that, the idea of the "a tomb so dark" as spoke in the White Council seems more appropriate:
Image 1
Image 2
Image 3

On the other hand, this website explains how the images might all relate to Dol Guldur.

Has anyone else thought about this and where the place might actually be?


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Salmacis81
Tol Eressea


Feb 6 2013, 12:37am

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Galadriel mentioned that the High Fells were in Rhudaur. [In reply to] Can't Post

You're correct that Tolkien never mentioned anything about "High Fells", but Rhudaur certainly existed in Tolkien's Middle-earth. It was one of three kingdoms (the other two being Arthedain and Cardolan) that were formed out of what was once the Kingdom of Arnor. Rhudaur was the only kingdom of the three to fall under the control of Angmar. I'm guessing that Jackson, Walsh, and Boyens came up with the High Fells as a way to give a nod to the Barrow-Downs that were left out of LOTR (and I have a feeling that part of Tom Bombadil made it into the portrayal of Radagast as well).

 
 

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