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mefansmum
Rivendell

Feb 3 2013, 11:26pm

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You have to wonder [In reply to] Can't Post

where it might have got to with more good reviews from the mass media reviewers and a bit more positive press in general when you read the effect of those things on people like this

http://www.popmatters.com/...ed-movie-of-awards-/


MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Feb 4 2013, 12:49am

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i wasn't trying to put the film down [In reply to] Can't Post

i saw it 4 times in the theater, i just think the LOTR's storyline has more of a attraction than The Hobbit has is all. I realize LOTR's wasn't about a love triangle, all i was trying to say is that it had a romance factor in it that appeals to the female demo.


take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty, oh will you please take me home!!


MasterOrc
Rivendell


Feb 4 2013, 4:22am

Post #28 of 49 (568 views)
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We can fully expect... [In reply to] Can't Post

the DOS to even do better than AUJ. The DVD will be coming out in May leading to more viewers of AUJ, leading to a growth in fan base which equals more people wanting to see DOS regardless of what the movie (idi_ts) critics will have to say.

I've seen the movie probably around 12 times. Maybe I'll go again...will see.

Can't wait for DOS to be here......need to learn some patience..Cool


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 4 2013, 4:41am

Post #29 of 49 (527 views)
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We'll see [In reply to] Can't Post

There will be people that didn't particularly like it not coming back. The question is, will we gain more than we'll lose.

Usually it's the new properties (or reboots) that start smaller that gain viewers (provided reception was good). Hobbit is part of a big franchise already. But considering its performance, it definitely has room to grow.


MasterOrc
Rivendell


Feb 4 2013, 4:44am

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There's always hope... [In reply to] Can't Post

Estel..... Wink


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 4 2013, 4:46am

Post #31 of 49 (499 views)
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I see what you did there. ;) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


peace1993
Bree


Feb 4 2013, 7:04am

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Getting to a billion is going to be tougher than you think [In reply to] Can't Post

AUJ should get 8-9 million more from existing markets. That should get the WW gross to around 960 million.
However, China is a completely different case. A Chinese film called Journey To the West (based on a Chinese Epic) is releasing two weeks prior to AUJ. This could have a huge effect on the BO collections of The Hobbit. These are the positives we can hold onto going into the release on Feb 22nd:
-Its a 3D film
-Its a fantasy film
-Its got plenty of action scenes
At this point, no one is in a position to predict the outcome.

Sam: Trust a Brandybuck and a Took.
Merry: What? That was just a detour, a shortcut.
Sam: Shortcut to what?
Pippin: Mushrooms!


redgiraffe
Rohan

Feb 4 2013, 7:23am

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I'd rather see ticket sales [In reply to] Can't Post

Why isn't there a better look at ticket sales adjusted for population growth?

First of all, I think that's a much easier way to tell which movie had more viewers.

Secondly, the only thing I can think of that you would have to adjust numbers for is population size. You wouldn't have to adjust for inflation, or 3D, or general price increases in movie tickets.

Is there any place that keeps this data out there?

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


redgiraffe
Rohan

Feb 4 2013, 7:32am

Post #34 of 49 (511 views)
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Lol [In reply to] Can't Post


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Estel..... Wink


Well played

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-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 4 2013, 10:11am

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Well, sometimes you make it sound like it was John Carter. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 4 2013, 2:00pm

Post #36 of 49 (447 views)
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Its not [In reply to] Can't Post

It really isn't. I think any of us who are fans of the story thought, expected, and wanted it to do more but its done just fine. Some I think have taken cheer in that it hasn't done everything we had all hoped. Sad really.

Edit: I saw it for a 5th and final time this weekend. The theater I was at for a 2:10 showing CST was I'd say about 80-85% full in the Kansas City, Mo area. So its still doing pretty decent 2 months in.



(This post was edited by Elessar on Feb 4 2013, 2:02pm)


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 4 2013, 2:07pm

Post #37 of 49 (405 views)
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Now be nice [In reply to] Can't Post

I liked John Carter. Evil



Arannir
Valinor

Feb 4 2013, 2:49pm

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Agree that it is not a dissapointment [In reply to] Can't Post

The grosses of the big blockbusters can be quite surprising and hard to predict. I doubt anyone thought The Avengers would be able to generate this amount of money. It gets even more unpredictable when you look to different cultural areas of the world - how surprising the Hobbit BO-fail in Japan is, how surprising some of the big hits in China are etc.

I said it before, and I will say it again. The Hobbit remains an immense money-maker for WB. That is what they wanted and I am sure what is coming out now is within the range of what they thought.

What those who always point to the advantages of the Hobbit neglect to mention, are the potential "disadvantages": the reviews, people fed up with Tolkien movies, immense explosion of "this kind" of fantasy movies since the LotR trilogy, no uniqueness anymore, perception as a money-grap, decline of moviegoers. Also, the increase of ticket prices also has both advantages and disadvantages - while you generate more money per ticket, some might not return to see it more than once or semi-interested people may wait for illegal streams or DVDs.

I guess you would need to do a lot of studies in both cultural interests / behaviour, economics and all sorts of related fields, to be able to fully explain why - for example - Avengers had the boost it had and The Hobbit did not.

I think this movie always had the potential to be a absolute hit, even No 1. But if you ask me it also had the potential to be a relative flop (compared to LotR), especially because "well" and "okay" was never accepted as "positive" for this.

That it turned out to be neither of the two is totally fine for me, and especially for those actually making some money out of this as well.






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It really isn't. I think any of us who are fans of the story thought, expected, and wanted it to do more but its done just fine. Some I think have taken cheer in that it hasn't done everything we had all hoped. Sad really.

Edit: I saw it for a 5th and final time this weekend. The theater I was at for a 2:10 showing CST was I'd say about 80-85% full in the Kansas City, Mo area. So its still doing pretty decent 2 months in.



BoromirOfWinterfell
Rohan


Feb 4 2013, 6:43pm

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Does anyone have an idea of the grossings in South Africa? [In reply to] Can't Post

The Hobbit really didn't do well at my local cinemas - I live in the capital city. We went to one of the biggest malls in the province, and there were only ten people in the theatre. The Second time, at another theatre, there were about twenty people. The third time I went we were only two people! I couldn't watch it again because the cinemas had already withdrawn the film, but Skyfall and Twilight were still showing. Frown

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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 4 2013, 6:46pm

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According to Box Office Mojo $2.2m. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


totoro
Lorien

Feb 5 2013, 6:16am

Post #41 of 49 (258 views)
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I think Harry Potter is an interesting comparison [In reply to] Can't Post

Last HP beat RotK. One of the middle HPs did worse than FotR. The rest kind of straddled TTT.

It is not surprising AUJ, as one of the middle films, would fall lower than the highest-grossing HPs.

I think ticket pricing kind of balances out in the end. Cheaper tickets mean more movie nights.


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 5 2013, 6:50am

Post #42 of 49 (239 views)
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As of This Weekend it surpassed Deathly Hallows 1 domestically. [In reply to] Can't Post


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Last HP beat RotK. One of the middle HPs did worse than FotR. The rest kind of straddled TTT.

It is not surprising AUJ, as one of the middle films, would fall lower than the highest-grossing HPs.

I think ticket pricing kind of balances out in the end. Cheaper tickets mean more movie nights.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


macfalk
Valinor


Feb 5 2013, 10:26am

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Question [In reply to] Can't Post

Everyone keeps saying that it opens on Feb 22 in China, but on the updated IMDB list it says Feb 15. Anyone knows when it actually opens there?



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 5 2013, 10:39am

Post #44 of 49 (227 views)
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Feb 22. [In reply to] Can't Post

IMDB is not up-to-date.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 5 2013, 10:41am

Post #45 of 49 (219 views)
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It doesn't. [In reply to] Can't Post


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I think ticket pricing kind of balances out in the end. Cheaper tickets mean more movie nights.


Not entirely at least. The last Potter would have never done $1.3b without 3D but around ROTK numbers.


BoromirOfWinterfell
Rohan


Feb 5 2013, 12:32pm

Post #46 of 49 (205 views)
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Thanks! [In reply to] Can't Post

I appreciate it!

s ofereode, isses swa mg - that has passed, so may this.


Rostron2
Gondor


Feb 5 2013, 6:53pm

Post #47 of 49 (168 views)
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So did I [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought it was marketed poorly, but in general, I thought it was fun to watch.


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 5 2013, 7:00pm

Post #48 of 49 (172 views)
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Agreed [In reply to] Can't Post

Disney didn't market it well at all. The movie was fun and entertaining I thought. It would have done better if Disney had done better. Sadly this is it for that universe.



Loresilme
Valinor


Feb 7 2013, 3:36pm

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Yup me too [In reply to] Can't Post

My biggest problem is carving 3 hours out of my day to see the film again.
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My school days are long (loooong!) behind me, but I feel like a kid trying to cut class, lol. It's so hard to find that block of time to see it again. Not that I wish it was shorter though! Each time I saw it I didn't want it to end :-).

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