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So, you find yourself dangling from a pine tree...
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Grey Havens

Feb 4 2013, 1:40am

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So, you find yourself dangling from a pine tree... Can't Post

You angrily stride off of it through flames (leaving the rest of your Company dangling precariously), you growl and attack an Orc astride a Warg which swipes you flat. You get shaken and tossed (but no one tosses a Dwarf!) unceremoniously onto a rock, and then you nearly get beheaded by a runty Orc. The flames are shooting high in the trees, other Orcs and Wargs are circling; it's night. You're nearly unconscious, but manage to see a Halfling save you from the runty Orc just before everything goes black. Seconds later (so it seems), you open your eyes to a wizard standing over you, it's dawn, and you're on top of a giant pinnacle of rock that looks (though you may not realize it) like a giant bear's head. No Orcs in sight, let alone flaming pine trees. Surely you didn't get up top there on your own power.

So...wouldn't your first burning thought be..."How the f*** did I get up here, and is everyone else safe and with me?" Granted, you do ask about the Halfling's safety, but wouldn't it cross your mind to ask what's happened in the last, oh, say, 8 hours?

Just curious. What would *your* first thoughts be?

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Feb 4 2013, 1:45am

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"Saint Peter looks an awful lot like Gandalf the Grey." / [In reply to] Can't Post


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Feb 4 2013, 1:54am

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"Where's my sword?!" [In reply to] Can't Post

The last thing we saw him doing while he was conscious was blindly grasping for Orcrist. So I would imagine he might think it got left behind, which would have sucked, because it's a really nice sword. Dwarves like their weapons, after all.


Feb 4 2013, 2:19am

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Where's my Oakenshield? [In reply to] Can't Post

I've had that even longer than the sword!

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Grey Havens

Feb 4 2013, 2:22am

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D**n it wasn't all just a bad dream// [In reply to] Can't Post


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Feb 4 2013, 2:58am

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Hair still looks good? [In reply to] Can't Post

Alternatively: If this is a dream, then it is a good dream

And seriously: I think I wouldn't have any thoughts whatsoever for a little while. Then, I would indeed probably ask a very boring question along the lines of "what the *** happened." I guess I would slip back to Khuzdul. Plus I would definitely want to know what happened with Azog.


Feb 4 2013, 3:20am

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I think I remember [In reply to] Can't Post

Thorin opening his eyes a bit while being carried by the eagle. At least that's how it looked like to me.


Feb 4 2013, 5:24am

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Limbs still attached? [In reply to] Can't Post

I think first would be a small test sequence to see if I still have all arms and legs, can feel my fingers and toes etc. Next would be, "Where, in Durin's name, am I, and where's that bloody, stinkin' Azog?"


Feb 4 2013, 5:54am

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:D [In reply to] Can't Post

Good one! Laugh


Feb 4 2013, 5:55am

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I hope no-one saw my undies // [In reply to] Can't Post


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Grey Havens

Feb 4 2013, 7:21am

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Thorin's first words [In reply to] Can't Post

"Am I dead?"

Gandalf: "Not just yet."

(Man,I've seen that preview of Jack the Giant Slayer WAY too many times!! One of the downsides to seeing TH 17 times!) Cool

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(This post was edited by Old Toby on Feb 4 2013, 7:23am)


Feb 4 2013, 10:34am

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*checks pockets to see if change fell out* [In reply to] Can't Post

I mean, no one saw me shove a few handfulls of the Troll-gold into my breeches. *pats vest* Yep. there's the pipe. Bless my axe! I've lost the cookies I snagged in Rivendell!

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Feb 4 2013, 6:00pm

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Why does no-one ask any questions?! [In reply to] Can't Post

ALL the dwarves and the hobbit should be like "what in middle-earth just happened? Where did all these eagles come from?!" But they seem to act like it's an everyday occurrence.

It really annoys me that the eagles get zero explanation in this entire franchise -.- Still.. there's Bo5A to come, I guess. Seems a bit late to explain it, though.

Grey Havens

Feb 4 2013, 6:24pm

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I think it is a matter of time compression in the film [In reply to] Can't Post

If I recall correctly, the scene of the Dwarves' battle with Azog's Orcs, there were rather appropriate-seeming reactions shown of surprise, shock, and fear from Bilbo/some Dwarves, This was not, however, an opportune moment for the asking of questions. This was followed by a flight of unknown length to the Carrock (though the editing suggests, a flight certainly lasting more than the time we saw it on screen). This would give everyone time to figure out that the Eagles are for whatever reason, on "their" side (since they did things like drop Wargs/Orcs over the side of the cliff), and they release the Dwarves on the other side of the mountains (rather than taking them to their eyries to eat or hold captive, for example). To a Dwarf that considered the matter, it seems to me an obvious culprit for their involvement should suggest itself (Gandalf).

At some point, "why didn't you tell us you could do this" and "can you do this for us again?" might be a question to ask, I would agree, but it makes sense to me that the more urgent question to the Dwarves might have been "Is Thorin still alive, and is he likely to stay that way for the near future?"

So much for the within-universe explanation of what I would expect the Dwarves' priority to be in the Carrock scene, Which brings us to the audience. While of course I have both read the book and seen the LotR movies, I thought what the film presented was quite possible to follow. When matters took a turn for the worse, Gandalf located (or caused to appear?) and whispered to a moth. The moth then went away and came back, and the Eagles with it. While the others in the Company seemed surprised by the Eagles' actions, Gandalf took them in stride, leaping confidently onto the back of one, for example. From which I think the movie presented well enough, that Gandalf is a wizard who can communicate with Eagles (apparently using some sort of magical means that involves moths) and induce them to help him. And thus no additional explanation of this was needed (any more than any discussion or explanation was needed of how Gandalf caused the blast in Goblin Town, or why he did not use this same approach again repeatedly at that time, or in other scenes of danger to the Company such as in the Trollshaws and in the approach to Rivendell).


Feb 4 2013, 6:33pm

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Where'd the Oakenshield go!? [In reply to] Can't Post

Frown My preciousss is lost....
It was the saddest part of the movie. The whole history behind the battle of Azanulbizar and how the Oakenshield came to be, and then Thorin drops it.
Someone is going to be angry at the beginning of DoS...
(Unless I missed something and one of the members of the company picked it up?)

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Feb 4 2013, 6:40pm

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Didn't see anybody picking it up. [In reply to] Can't Post



Feb 4 2013, 7:19pm

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It worked for O Brother Where Art Thou! [In reply to] Can't Post

::George Clooney wakes up after being bludgeoned:: "Mah hair!"

Now I'm wondering about a Coen Bros-directed Hobbit...

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Tol Eressea

Feb 4 2013, 7:22pm

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All that was needed was [In reply to] Can't Post

a shot of gandy talking to one of the eagles seen from bilbos point of view, at a distance, then he would tell the dwarves what they exchanged . matter resolved.

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Feb 4 2013, 7:30pm

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Perhaps off subject but prob. otheres have mused also [In reply to] Can't Post

Not that they needed to take time to show or explain but since the dwarfs came to Bag End with little or no supplies, let alone ponies, I wonder where they got them and when. In the book they left from The Green Dragon as I recall and I suppose they "supplied up" in Hobbiton?


Feb 4 2013, 9:36pm

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I've been worried about that too... [In reply to] Can't Post

And I've been trying to come up with ways in which Thorin might get the Oakenshield back... I didn't see any of the company pick it up either.

But what if Azog picked it up after they were gone? Unsure He would remember that one, wouldn't he?

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Feb 4 2013, 10:02pm

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Someone speculated *spoilers* [In reply to] Can't Post

that Beorn finds it at the site when he investigates Gandalf's story, thus verifying the good intentions of the dwarves. Then Beorn brings it back to Thorin.


Feb 4 2013, 10:07pm

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I think that [In reply to] Can't Post

overall, Beorn's screen time is being underestimated by many people. Considering that he'll be back at BoFA, they may consider developing a portion of his story throughout the next two films. I would assert that we will be seeing more of him than we think.


Feb 5 2013, 1:39am

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Good Idea [In reply to] Can't Post

I like this a lot. Do any screen writing?


Feb 5 2013, 1:45am

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ROFL! [In reply to] Can't Post

That's *perfect*! I must have seen that trailer every single time I saw TH also.

Lol... that was really great, thanks for the laugh Sly!!

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Feb 5 2013, 3:53am

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Not my theory! [In reply to] Can't Post

so I can't take credit for it, but thank you. Blush

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