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Dwarves... why did it have to be Dwarves...

swordwhale
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Feb 3 2013, 8:40pm


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Regal, determined, handsome. but definitely a Dwarf. I was thinking that folks have a hard time seeing these thirteen men as Dwarves because there is very little to reference them against. Only one hobbit and a Wizard in human form, a few elves, and a mess of goblins of varying sizes. I think when we get to DoS and TaBA, we will see them on screen simultaneously with more and different creatures and their size and proportions might be more dwarf-like in some peoples mind.


Well said. I kept having scale issues watching the film... I'd forget that they were short. But then the concept is that they aren't really short (from the Dwarvish point of view) it's just that everyone else is too tall. A lot of the eye (camera) level is their eye level or lower, so we are often looking up at them. I thinnk it was necessary to put the audience in the Hobbit/Dwarf viewpoint at the beginning... later we will, like the characters, encounter a larger world in which they may seem smaller and more vulnerable.

The Hobbit came out (book) 3 months before Disney's Snow White (first full length animated feature ever in the Knowne Worlde). Both of these have influenced our modern perception of this archetype. Because Disney had the visual advantage (movie!), those short funny little guys (who actually pretty much all look alike) are stuck in our collective unconcious as Dwarves. Of course the Hobbit influenced every other fantasy genre that came along in the 20th century... and the archetypes that are part of it.

There's something that happens to myths and legends over time... they degenerate. Balin describes it perfectly with his line about "tinkers, toymakes, hardly the stuff of legend". By the time we get to the Hobbit film, we've had more than half a century of myth degeneration, and fat guys with Santa beards.

Thank Illuvatar for WETA.

Please please please oscars for these geniuses! They have given the archetype back its power. Yes, we have to connect with a modern audience... but that doesn't mean we have to so sparkly pretty boys. And they didn't. They gave us 13 awesomely unique induviduals.

...who all still channel the Dwarf archetype.

If you look at fandom, all these characters have their fans, artists drawing them, telling their backstories, showing their lives offscreen... because they love them, in some cases (the "Oakenshields") becasue they are hot... and in some cases (Bofur, and his amazing hat) for reasons we can't quite fathom (maybe Nice Guys win after all).

I'm continually amazed by the character design... and I've always been a fan (and artist and writer) of the Elves...

WETA rocks!

Go outside and play...

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Do you think they could have still made the Dwarves appealing Thorins_apprentice Send a private message to Thorins_apprentice Feb 2 2013, 2:45pm
    This wasn't really an "Oscar" movie... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Feb 2 2013, 3:42pm
    I second the opinion that this wasn't an Oscar movie Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 2 2013, 6:05pm
    Oscars glor Send a private message to glor Feb 2 2013, 6:54pm
        plus the oscars are very political julia0925 Send a private message to julia0925 Feb 5 2013, 4:25pm
    Thorin is a dwarf Marionette Send a private message to Marionette Feb 2 2013, 7:15pm
        Of course he is! Kirly Send a private message to Kirly Feb 2 2013, 8:04pm
            Exactly. In LOTR, Gimli stood out. Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Feb 2 2013, 8:20pm
                height difference between hobbits and dwarves Kirly Send a private message to Kirly Feb 2 2013, 8:33pm
                    In Brian Sibley's book, the Official Movie Guide, he talks about the size Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 3 2013, 6:04am
                gimlii fitted in TH mefansmum Feb 3 2013, 3:41am
            Dwarves... why did it have to be Dwarves... swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Feb 3 2013, 8:40pm
                Thanks! and.... Kirly Send a private message to Kirly Feb 3 2013, 10:10pm
                it was necessary to put the audience in the Hobbit/Dwarf viewpoint... glor Send a private message to glor Feb 6 2013, 1:32am
    A-peelin' bananas, a-peelin' oranges... Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Feb 2 2013, 10:36pm
        yeah marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Feb 3 2013, 3:12am
            noses Kirly Send a private message to Kirly Feb 3 2013, 3:22am
        I love that video you linked to in another thread Tintallė Send a private message to Tintallė Feb 3 2013, 5:30pm
            Got North and South Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Feb 3 2013, 10:51pm
    Absolutely. The talent to pull it off is there, from acting and writing to design, and everything in-between. Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Feb 3 2013, 12:15am
    Oh cripes... they're awesome! grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Feb 3 2013, 8:35pm
    For some people, yes. For others, no. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Feb 5 2013, 4:38pm
        POV swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Feb 6 2013, 6:20am
    Easily aarondirebear Send a private message to aarondirebear Feb 12 2013, 7:53pm

 
 
 

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