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Gandalf example

Grey Havens

Feb 1 2013, 1:55pm

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Gandalf example [In reply to] Can't Post

I like your additional example, Gandalf's comments to Pippin as they go to speak to Denethor, and his comments to Thorin as they approach Rivendell.

But I would say this is again an example which, as has been said before, is about consistent characterization. In both cases, the person making the similar comments is Gandalf. He is in similar situations in both scenes - he has an agenda he feels it is important to further, and he needs the involvement in it of persons (Denethor/Elrond) who do not necessarily share this agenda in full. He has plans, in both cases, for how to obtain this cooperation (he expects Denethor is ready and willing to defend Gondor against Sauron';s armies, and expects Elrond will be curious about the map and willing to apply his deep knowledge of Middle Earth lore to plumb its mysteries), and understands which information it would be wise not to share. (For Denethor, no mention of returning Kings, for Elrond, no mention of the Dwarves' quest). I would say that there are also differences in this scene which reflect Gandalf's understanding of the (rather different) personalities he is speaking to also. Pippin is likely to just say things out of friendliness/chattiness and without considering the bigger picture; Thorin is predisposed to dislike and distrust Elrond and has himself been maneuvered by Gandalf into coming to Rivendell and thus is likely to be rude (which, actually, he is, but perhaps to a lesser degree than he might have been because of Gandalf's sharing of his plan).

Subject User Time
Copycat Dialogue or a Prelude to Genius? TH vs LOTR scriptwriting Arandir Send a private message to Arandir Jan 31 2013, 7:05pm
    Another one is .... Aranaes Send a private message to Aranaes Jan 31 2013, 7:19pm
    I agree and think this is more likely... Owain Send a private message to Owain Jan 31 2013, 7:22pm
    Think it is just coincidence shadowdog Send a private message to shadowdog Jan 31 2013, 7:25pm
        Fly you fools/ This way/run you fools oncefaster Send a private message to oncefaster Jan 31 2013, 7:45pm
            How 'bout within the film? Brandybuckled Send a private message to Brandybuckled Jan 31 2013, 8:46pm
                Not quite... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 31 2013, 8:53pm
    Considering that most of the lines you cite Arandiel Send a private message to Arandiel Jan 31 2013, 8:11pm
        I agree with the speech patterns... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 31 2013, 8:19pm
    In all of your examples Lindele Send a private message to Lindele Jan 31 2013, 8:16pm
    similar lines. andwise Send a private message to andwise Jan 31 2013, 8:59pm
        What about . . . Lily Fairbairn Send a private message to Lily Fairbairn Jan 31 2013, 10:04pm
    not really... nenyacaster Send a private message to nenyacaster Jan 31 2013, 9:54pm
    And IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Jan 31 2013, 10:50pm
    I noticed most of these Kristin Thompson Send a private message to Kristin Thompson Jan 31 2013, 11:25pm
    The Gollum one is obviously deliberate, though others could be coincidential sycorax82 Send a private message to sycorax82 Feb 1 2013, 1:21am
    Re Retro315 Send a private message to Retro315 Feb 1 2013, 4:57am
    Also, "It cannot be", said by Aragorn and Thorin Earl Send a private message to Earl Feb 1 2013, 7:09am
    Says basically the same thing to Pippin and Thorin imin Send a private message to imin Feb 1 2013, 1:17pm
        Gandalf example arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Feb 1 2013, 1:55pm
            Oh yh i understand imin Send a private message to imin Feb 1 2013, 2:00pm
    I've written Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Feb 1 2013, 6:22pm
    I spotted a couple at the weekend.. Elvanui Send a private message to Elvanui Feb 4 2013, 3:21pm


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