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arithmancer
Lorien
Feb 1, 1:55pm
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I like your additional example, Gandalf's comments to Pippin as they go to speak to Denethor, and his comments to Thorin as they approach Rivendell.
But I would say this is again an example which, as has been said before, is about consistent characterization. In both cases, the person making the similar comments is Gandalf. He is in similar situations in both scenes - he has an agenda he feels it is important to further, and he needs the involvement in it of persons (Denethor/Elrond) who do not necessarily share this agenda in full. He has plans, in both cases, for how to obtain this cooperation (he expects Denethor is ready and willing to defend Gondor against Sauron';s armies, and expects Elrond will be curious about the map and willing to apply his deep knowledge of Middle Earth lore to plumb its mysteries), and understands which information it would be wise not to share. (For Denethor, no mention of returning Kings, for Elrond, no mention of the Dwarves' quest). I would say that there are also differences in this scene which reflect Gandalf's understanding of the (rather different) personalities he is speaking to also. Pippin is likely to just say things out of friendliness/chattiness and without considering the bigger picture; Thorin is predisposed to dislike and distrust Elrond and has himself been maneuvered by Gandalf into coming to Rivendell and thus is likely to be rude (which, actually, he is, but perhaps to a lesser degree than he might have been because of Gandalf's sharing of his plan).
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Copycat Dialogue or a Prelude to Genius? TH vs LOTR scriptwriting
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Arandir
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Jan 31, 7:05pm
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Another one is ....
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Aranaes
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Jan 31, 7:19pm
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I agree and think this is more likely...
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Owain
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Jan 31, 7:22pm
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Think it is just coincidence
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shadowdog
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Jan 31, 7:25pm
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Fly you fools/ This way/run you fools
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oncefaster
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Jan 31, 7:45pm
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How 'bout within the film?
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Brandybuckled
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Jan 31, 8:46pm
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Not quite...
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bborchar
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Jan 31, 8:53pm
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Considering that most of the lines you cite
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Arandiel
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Jan 31, 8:11pm
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I agree with the speech patterns...
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bborchar
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Jan 31, 8:19pm
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In all of your examples
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Lindele
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Jan 31, 8:16pm
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similar lines.
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andwise
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Jan 31, 8:59pm
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What about . . .
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Lily Fairbairn
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Jan 31, 10:04pm
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not really...
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nenyacaster
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Jan 31, 9:54pm
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And
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IdrilofGondolin
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Jan 31, 10:50pm
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I noticed most of these
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Kristin Thompson
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Jan 31, 11:25pm
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The Gollum one is obviously deliberate, though others could be coincidential
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sycorax82
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Feb 1, 1:21am
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Re
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Retro315
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Feb 1, 4:57am
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Also, "It cannot be", said by Aragorn and Thorin
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Earl
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Feb 1, 7:09am
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Says basically the same thing to Pippin and Thorin
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imin
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Feb 1, 1:17pm
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Gandalf example
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arithmancer
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Feb 1, 1:55pm
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Oh yh i understand
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imin
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Feb 1, 2:00pm
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I've written
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Rostron2
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Feb 1, 6:22pm
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I spotted a couple at the weekend..
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Elvanui
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Feb 4, 3:21pm
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