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Estel78
Tol Eressea

Feb 1 2013, 12:00am

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There was? [In reply to] Can't Post

A directors commentary track on the theatrical cut? News to me...


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Feb 1 2013, 12:00am)


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 1 2013, 12:48am

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Agreed. That said, I wonder if they will still be showing it in some theatres, post DVD/Blu-ray release [In reply to] Can't Post

A lot of films that made less money ran for a full four months, as opposed to a full 3 and a half, even with larger movies coming to displace them near the end. I am hoping they won't pull it from all theatres just before/because of the DVD release.

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It's my understanding that movie companies have to wait until a movie has been released all around the world before they can release the DVD (it cuts into their profits otherwise). Since AUJ was released virtually everywhere at nearly the same time, this means that they can release the theatrical version much sooner. While I will be getting the EE when it's available, I'm simply not going to wait that long to see this again, so I'll be getting this release as well as any others they care to put out. I"m such a sucker...


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


TheCoon
Lorien

Feb 1 2013, 12:52am

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i wonder when the EE is then [In reply to] Can't Post

lotr was always theatrical august EE november (cept rotk which hahd the ee in december for some reason)

surly they wont make us wait from march all the way to november?

i guess theyre prepping for DOS sicne that EE cant be in nvoember naywazy with TABA coming in july (srsly when is fox going to move x men)


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 1 2013, 1:11am

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Agreed. I always buy the theatrical. Wait another 3 to 7 months for EE? Ain't Nobody got Time for That! [In reply to] Can't Post

There is also the fact that EE ROTK included a horrible blasphemy of which I do not often speak, and for which I refuse to watch it again (at least the second disc of it!), despite enjoying the bulk of the movie. What I need to see is on the Theatrical.

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I agree. I will be buying the cheapest, most basic DVD I can find in March, and consider that a fair price to have something I can watch while waiting for the EE. and something I don't mind letting the kids (not the world's most careful people...!) use in the DVD player in the back of the car.

And I will buy the EE in BluRay to watch at home and enjoy for years to come.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


TheCoon
Lorien

Feb 1 2013, 1:11am

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i wont [In reply to] Can't Post

cause ill be wating for the EE (haha got u all)


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Feb 1 2013, 2:14am

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what? [In reply to] Can't Post

Of course they talk about what they added to the EEs, but that's less than 10% of the conversation. They talked about days filming, character motivations, themes and larger issues, witty anecdotes, art design, production techniques, the highs and lows of adapting a novel, new zealand, score, post-production and all the new experimental techniques digital or otherwise, etc. etc.

Taken as a whole the commentaries for the Lord of the Rings trilogy (all four commentaries for each film) could be seen as a Bible and how to guide on filmmaking.

Can you tell how much I like them? Angelic

"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien

"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas

(This post was edited by There&ThereAgain on Feb 1 2013, 2:16am)


Eowyn3
Rivendell

Feb 1 2013, 2:57am

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I'll be buying it first day it's out. [In reply to] Can't Post

Then I'll buy the EE when it comes out. Got to have it right away! With the LOTR, I bought regular, than EE, then blue-ray, then blue-ray EE.Smile


Kimtc
Rohan


Feb 1 2013, 3:14am

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Can you give us a hint about the blasphemy? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm racking my brain trying to think what it could be. For me, the EE of ROTK is my favorite. I thought the EE of FOTR killed the rhythm of the movie, and while TTT EE was fine, I was thrilled in ROTK to see the little bit of Faramir/Eowyn story added (needed more). Oh, and the Mouth of Sauron, jus' cause I love Bruce Spence.

Now, once you divulge it I will probably go "Oh, yeah, of course," thus killing it for me.


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There is also the fact that EE ROTK included a horrible blasphemy of which I do not often speak, and for which I refuse to watch it again (at least the second disc of it!), despite enjoying the bulk of the movie. What I need to see is on the Theatrical.

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Mooseboy018
Gondor


Feb 1 2013, 3:34am

Post #34 of 59 (171 views)
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The Witch King breaking Gandalf's staff. [In reply to] Can't Post

Crazy


Kimtc
Rohan


Feb 1 2013, 3:48am

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Okay. Point taken. [In reply to] Can't Post

But I was still happy to see Faramir and Eowyn's (truncated) story, rather than that little look they exchanged in the theatrical version. And Bruce Spence. Oh, and the additional footage of the Battle of Pelennor Fields; got to see anguished Eomer, and PJ get "accidentally" hit by Legolas's arrow. That was fun.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Feb 1 2013, 3:54am

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Although [In reply to] Can't Post

the charcaters design is very cool and his voice appropriately grungy and creepy , the whole scene is a shadow of what it could have been....and the beheading MadCrazy

And legolas looks very weird in a shot or two Tongue

Vous commencez ŕ m'ennuyer avec le port!!!


Kimtc
Rohan


Feb 1 2013, 4:31am

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I've noticed Legolas is one character with variable visual quality. [In reply to] Can't Post

Particularly in EE scenes. I am sure I caught several shots of him throughout LOTR without his blue contacts, and his hair can be kind of off. Not sure why he has this issue. None of this is to say he isn't attractive, though. Just uneven.

So far the dwarves tend to be fairly steady in looks from shot to shot.


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And legolas looks very weird in a shot or two Tongue



AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 1 2013, 4:44am

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Amen! I was JUST about to give Kimtc the long answer, but there it is right there. [In reply to] Can't Post

When the phantom-wraith of a human king and sorcerer, enslaved to Sauron, breaks the staff of office of an incarnate (if limited) Angel sent by Eru and the Valar. . . one who, in a lesser form, had defeated a Maiar Demon who was present before and involved in the shaping of the World, was a lieutenant of Melkor The Morgoth before the coming of the Elves, and during their many defeats, and trumps Nazgul in all things. . . .Ugh! You would think they would have thought better of it. They didn't have to break the staff to have a nailbiting contest of powers. Better to leave it like the book. I get that Peter wanted more drama. . . but he generally just doesn't excell at magical battles. Better to have left it alone, than to present such. . . blaecch! Heresy. Mad lol. . . but not much lol, really. Frown

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Crazy


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 1 2013, 4:58am

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I am with Lustiano on that. I like Bruce. . . but I prefer to remember him alongside Mel Guibson and Tina Turner, [In reply to] Can't Post

somewhere north of Thunderdome, than being hacked up by Aragorn. That really diminished Aragorn's nobility. There were some good additional scenes in the movie, but for me they were completely outweighed by the excess and the glaring innaccuracies. Unlike EE Fellowship, which was better than the Theatrical in every aspect, so much so that I wish it had BEEN the theatrical.

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But I was still happy to see Faramir and Eowyn's (truncated) story, rather than that little look they exchanged in the theatrical version. And Bruce Spence. Oh, and the additional footage of the Battle of Pelennor Fields; got to see anguished Eomer, and PJ get "accidentally" hit by Legolas's arrow. That was fun.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Súlimë
Rivendell


Feb 1 2013, 7:18am

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Yep [In reply to] Can't Post


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Unlike EE Fellowship, which was better than the Theatrical in every aspect, so much so that I wish it had BEEN the theatrical.

I might be alone in this, but I liked Fellowship (EE) the most out of the three movies, and I keep wanting to watch it, but then I have to watch the other two movies just for the sake of finishing. While I also love watching TT and RotK, I tend to watch them for the 'great moments', but secretly, unconsciously disregard their 'story' (if that makes sense...)

:P


Silmaril
Lorien


Feb 1 2013, 8:13am

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i'll be buying both too, cause i want both! [In reply to] Can't Post

LotR and AuJ are pretty the only movies i'm interested in extended versions and behind the scenes stuff. i would not buy any other movie twice (or more). i watched the different movie versions and all the bonus stuff a lot, so it was worth it!
and so we get new stuff every half year...which is cool too.

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Then I'll buy the EE when it comes out. Got to have it right away! With the LOTR, I bought regular, than EE, then blue-ray, then blue-ray EE.Smile



Silmaril
Lorien


Feb 1 2013, 8:19am

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blockbuster uk dates? [In reply to] Can't Post

sorry but i did not know that this thread titled blockbuster uk dates was about the release of AuJ.


Silmaril
Lorien


Feb 1 2013, 8:29am

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the movie, the videoblogs and a short making of. [In reply to] Can't Post

so i think there will be pretty nothing that we haven't seen, commentaries and extensive making of documentaries will be on the EE.


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If the theatrical edition has it's own directors commentary track (like there was one for LOTR) then that is worth listening to/watching. The commentary for the LOTR EE' dvds primarily just talked about what they added, and wasn't as interesting as what they had for the theatrical versions.



Arannir
Valinor

Feb 1 2013, 8:39am

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To me too... [In reply to] Can't Post

... that was always one of the best parts for me concerning the EEs.

Especially hearing Boyens philosphing about the books gives me such a good time just listening :)

Hope for the same with the Hobbit EEs!!!


Silmaril
Lorien


Feb 1 2013, 9:56am

Post #45 of 59 (133 views)
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hearing Boyens philosphing about the books... [In reply to] Can't Post

oh yes i love that stuff too! want the same for the Hobbit!


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... that was always one of the best parts for me concerning the EEs.

Especially hearing Boyens philosphing about the books gives me such a good time just listening :)

Hope for the same with the Hobbit EEs!!!



TFP
Rivendell


Feb 1 2013, 11:53am

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EE content/timing [In reply to] Can't Post


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Indeed, I readily acknowledge that there have been several instances of studios re-packaging a movie and barely changing anything about the release to make money off of a title. And then notoriously they release another version following that, which inevitably includes more features that - some people feel - should have already been included.

At one time, this could have been considered taking advantage of fans. To me, that would have been before the internet existed.

What you consider to be an unacceptable rip off (extended editions) has provided a lot of joy for other people. In addition, there are basic economic principals that are followed... good economics that good businesses follow, that have nothing to do with just the often used cliche of a cash grab.

Studios are offering fans options or tiers if you will. Some people don't care about special features, extended scenes... in essence they just want the movie they saw in theaters.

But there are also plenty of people who enjoy the extended editions, director's cuts, and all of the additional materials as well. They like the "deep dive" if you will. To include those, they ask a different price point for a different experience. That's not unreasonable. You pay more for more. There are plenty of other industries that use that model and people understand it there. Why not the movie industry?

The argument that is old and tiring to me (mostly because it is uninformed yet still authoritatively stated) is that studios should just put both editions on the same disc and avoid the greedy cash grab. Well sometimes they do. And sometimes they don't.

1. This train of thought assumes everybody wants the same content AND is willing to pay for it.

2. It also assumes that you can fit all of that content onto 1 or a minimal amount of discs. (The more discs, the bigger the packaging, the more expensive to distribute). Since PJs Middle Earth movies are on average almost 3 hours per movie (for the theatrical editions) and they are giving you a transfer as close to the DCP you saw in theatre as possible, then adding in all the extra features that are now standard, there isn't a whole lot of room left over after that... even for BluRays. Again, they can add more discs (thus bigger and different packaging) but that costs more to produce which ultimately trickles down to the consumer.

So if they have a market for both, why not create appropriate amounts for both and sell them to both? If people want it and buy it, then that is just following supply and demand...


But that's missing the main point - it's not about having two editions, it's about the timing of the releases.

I don't see how anyone could object to, say in March, the released of a basic theatrical version priced at [say] $15 alongside an deluxe enahced version priced at [say] $25. That'd be totally fair & I would be an EE buyer every time.

I'm a reasonably big 'fan' of Tolkien's stuff, having read the books many times over the years, and even though there was lots that I didn't like about the LOTR films there was still plenty that I did like about them - I'd say I probably watched my FOTR DVD all the way through easily 5-10 times, TTT maybe around 5 times, and ROTK maybe a couple of times. Specific scenes that I liked I watched more than this. But I've never seen any of the extended editions - just out of 'principle' I wouldn't buy them, and equally out of a [different] principle I wouldn't download them illegally. Which I don't think is very nice.

Although I was a bit puzzled by the versions that they showed on UK free-to-air television over the last few months. I'm fairly sure that they had at least some [presumably EE] content in there that I didn't recognise.


(This post was edited by TFP on Feb 1 2013, 11:54am)


Elessar
Valinor


Feb 1 2013, 2:15pm

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We can't ride car pool here lol [In reply to] Can't Post

I love the EE of all three movies and find them to be just a step above the TE. I didn't get upset with the staff breaking to be honest with you. I mean I know character and power wise it doesn't make sense with the unvierse we love but for me there is another bigger issue within ROTK and TTT that bother me much worse. As far as Aragorn taking off The Mouth of Sauron's head I don't have a problem with that at all. I understand it makes him appear less noble but if someone was infront of me talking crap about my friend that was supposedly dead. I'd do the same thing. So like I said I get both sides of that debate. The two things that bothered me the most probably are Frodo showing the Ringwraith the ring and Frodo sending Sam away. Neither of those make any sense to me at all.



imin
Valinor


Feb 1 2013, 2:34pm

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Bit extreme dont you think?! [In reply to] Can't Post


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As far as Aragorn taking off The Mouth of Sauron's head I don't have a problem with that at all...but if someone was infront of me talking crap about my friend that was supposedly dead. I'd do the same thing.



Elessar
Valinor


Feb 1 2013, 2:46pm

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In that same exact situation [In reply to] Can't Post

Nope. If you're in that situation thinking they've tortured your friend, killed him, and you think the end may be coming soon enough I don't. It isn't the most noble way to act and that I agree with but considering the circumstances I don't blame him at all for doing that.



imin
Valinor


Feb 1 2013, 3:03pm

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I think for regular people [In reply to] Can't Post

It would just about be ok.

For Aragorn i dont agree with it. He is the future king and as such i felt it took away from his character by doing this in the film - still its better than him fighting Sauron as they were going to do.

Also the Gandalf and Witch-king scene - *shakes head* - poor form Sir PJ, poor form.

If they could have i think ROTK is one of very few movies which would have been better had they split it into two.

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