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Copycat Dialogue or a Prelude to Genius? TH vs LOTR scriptwriting

Arandir
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Jan 31 2013, 7:05pm


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It has occurred to me, upon multiple viewings of The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, that one can find many examples in which particular phrases from the dialogue are strongly remindful of specific scenes in The Lord of the Rings Trilogy. I've tried to compile a list of those that I have managed to spot and the scenes in which they occur.

The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (Bag End - An Unexpected Party)
Gandalf: "... let us have a little more light"

The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Moria - Journey in the Dark)
Gandalf: "Let me risk a little more light"
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The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (Rivendell)
Gandalf to Thorin: "...we have questions that need to be answered"

The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Bag End)
Gandalf to Frodo: " Questions. Questions that need answering"
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The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (Riddles in the Dark)
Gollum to Bilbo: "Mustn't ask us! Not it's business!"

The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (The Dead Marshes)
Gollum to Frodo: "Mustn't ask us! Not it's business!"
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The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (Trollshaws)
Kili to Tom the troll: "Drop him!"

The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (Shelob's Lair)
Sam: "Let him go!"

(Okay, so in this case, the dialogue isn't very similar - but the actions are. In The Hobbit, the trolls ruthlessly throw Bilbo upon Kili; whilst in Sam's case, Shelob carelessly drops Frodo's body to the ground).
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I could swear that I heard Gollum's "That's a meaty mouthful!" to Bilbo during the Riddles in the Dark sequence, somewhere in The Two Towers or The Return of the King - but I just can't find it.

However, I'm sure there are more phrases like this!

I think it's quite fascinating that there is this subtle (or not so subtle in case of fans) connection - apart from the other references throughout the film. I have no doubt that we will see more of these extracts we've grown so accustomed to through The Lord of the Rings, in the next two installments of The Hobbit

I don't think it's merely a case of the screenwriters "adopting" parts of the Rings script and using it sparingly into that of The Hobbit. But rather as a means to further reinforce the connection between both stories and create an interesting symmetry between the simple and innocent story, with the darker and more complex tale.

On the other hand, does it maybe (like some of the used score from Rings) draw you back out of this film and make you think of that particular dialogue as it occurred in The Lord of the Rings?

'The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey' Review

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Copycat Dialogue or a Prelude to Genius? TH vs LOTR scriptwriting Arandir Send a private message to Arandir Jan 31 2013, 7:05pm
    Another one is .... Aranaes Send a private message to Aranaes Jan 31 2013, 7:19pm
    I agree and think this is more likely... Owain Send a private message to Owain Jan 31 2013, 7:22pm
    Think it is just coincidence shadowdog Send a private message to shadowdog Jan 31 2013, 7:25pm
        Fly you fools/ This way/run you fools oncefaster Send a private message to oncefaster Jan 31 2013, 7:45pm
            How 'bout within the film? Brandybuckled Send a private message to Brandybuckled Jan 31 2013, 8:46pm
                Not quite... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 31 2013, 8:53pm
    Considering that most of the lines you cite Arandiel Send a private message to Arandiel Jan 31 2013, 8:11pm
        I agree with the speech patterns... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 31 2013, 8:19pm
    In all of your examples Lindele Send a private message to Lindele Jan 31 2013, 8:16pm
    similar lines. andwise Send a private message to andwise Jan 31 2013, 8:59pm
        What about . . . Lily Fairbairn Send a private message to Lily Fairbairn Jan 31 2013, 10:04pm
    not really... nenyacaster Send a private message to nenyacaster Jan 31 2013, 9:54pm
    And IdrilofGondolin Send a private message to IdrilofGondolin Jan 31 2013, 10:50pm
    I noticed most of these Kristin Thompson Send a private message to Kristin Thompson Jan 31 2013, 11:25pm
    The Gollum one is obviously deliberate, though others could be coincidential sycorax82 Send a private message to sycorax82 Feb 1 2013, 1:21am
    Re Retro315 Send a private message to Retro315 Feb 1 2013, 4:57am
    Also, "It cannot be", said by Aragorn and Thorin Earl Send a private message to Earl Feb 1 2013, 7:09am
    Says basically the same thing to Pippin and Thorin imin Send a private message to imin Feb 1 2013, 1:17pm
        Gandalf example arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Feb 1 2013, 1:55pm
            Oh yh i understand imin Send a private message to imin Feb 1 2013, 2:00pm
    I've written Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Feb 1 2013, 6:22pm
    I spotted a couple at the weekend.. Elvanui Send a private message to Elvanui Feb 4 2013, 3:21pm

 
 
 

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