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Silmaril
Lorien


Jan 31 2013, 9:23am

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http://www.thehobbit.com/

scroll down! so this should be thoe official release date of the dvd and blu ray!


smokerings
Rivendell


Jan 31 2013, 12:45pm

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...on Mach 19th. Thanks for the post.

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Silmaril
Lorien


Jan 31 2013, 12:59pm

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i hope there will be more official information about the different editions (artwork, bonus) too!


SķlimŽ
Rivendell


Jan 31 2013, 1:28pm

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it's funny how with the Lord of the Rings DVDs ten years ago I still had to ask for money from my parents. It's nice to have my own money now Tongue


Verbal_Daggers
The Shire


Jan 31 2013, 2:32pm

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Wow that is quite soon :D Not that I am complaining, though!


TFP
Rivendell


Jan 31 2013, 4:09pm

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Special editions etc [In reply to] Can't Post

Does anyone know if, as with LOTR fims, they're planning to release a basic edition quickly and then a further cash-in with extras added in due course?


Grant
The Shire

Jan 31 2013, 4:20pm

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An extended edition is pretty much confirmed. Hopefully they'll keep the pattern of having promotional material as ext rats on the theatrical and more detailed documentary extras on the EE.


julia0925
The Shire


Jan 31 2013, 5:42pm

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It's my understanding that movie companies have to wait until a movie has been released all around the world before they can release the DVD (it cuts into their profits otherwise). Since AUJ was released virtually everywhere at nearly the same time, this means that they can release the theatrical version much sooner. While I will be getting the EE when it's available, I'm simply not going to wait that long to see this again, so I'll be getting this release as well as any others they care to put out. I"m such a sucker...

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bborchar
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 5:48pm

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I might as well wear a shirt that says "TAKE MY MONEY NOW!!" I would normally wait for the EE, but I really want to see this again before then...so yes, we will be buying it twice ^^


TFP
Rivendell


Jan 31 2013, 5:50pm

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It's my understanding that movie companies have to wait until a movie has been released all around the world before they can release the DVD (it cuts into their profits otherwise). Since AUJ was released virtually everywhere at nearly the same time, this means that they can release the theatrical version much sooner. While I will be getting the EE when it's available, I'm simply not going to wait that long to see this again, so I'll be getting this release as well as any others they care to put out. I"m such a sucker...


sorry, very old arguments, but i won't ever buy an EE, just on principle.

i'll be first in the queue [or thereabouts] to see the film, & always buy the DVD very shortly after release, but the EE is just an unacceptable rip-off to me.


Brandybuckled
Lorien


Jan 31 2013, 6:26pm

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At least Warner isn't stuck in the same idiotic mindset as HBO (or Disney's vault). :)

The Hobbit nearly beat GoT's season 2 discs.

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Verbal_Daggers
The Shire


Jan 31 2013, 6:50pm

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Sounds reasonable ;) [In reply to] Can't Post

I will also be getting both versions - the theatrical release as well as the EE - for the exact same reason .. I just don't want to wait for the EE. Although I have already considered just to rent the theatrical version once it's released for a weekend but I guess that's not that much cheaper anyway and I just know that I want it as soon as it's available! :) And for that release I am also getting a blu ray player (it's about time =))


Owain
Tol Eressea


Jan 31 2013, 7:08pm

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It could also be considered a matter of perspective. [In reply to] Can't Post

Indeed, I readily acknowledge that there have been several instances of studios re-packaging a movie and barely changing anything about the release to make money off of a title. And then notoriously they release another version following that, which inevitably includes more features that - some people feel - should have already been included.

At one time, this could have been considered taking advantage of fans. To me, that would have been before the internet existed.

What you consider to be an unacceptable rip off (extended editions) has provided a lot of joy for other people. In addition, there are basic economic principals that are followed... good economics that good businesses follow, that have nothing to do with just the often used cliche of a cash grab.

Studios are offering fans options or tiers if you will. Some people don't care about special features, extended scenes... in essence they just want the movie they saw in theaters.

But there are also plenty of people who enjoy the extended editions, director's cuts, and all of the additional materials as well. They like the "deep dive" if you will. To include those, they ask a different price point for a different experience. That's not unreasonable. You pay more for more. There are plenty of other industries that use that model and people understand it there. Why not the movie industry?

The argument that is old and tiring to me (mostly because it is uninformed yet still authoritatively stated) is that studios should just put both editions on the same disc and avoid the greedy cash grab. Well sometimes they do. And sometimes they don't.

1. This train of thought assumes everybody wants the same content AND is willing to pay for it.

2. It also assumes that you can fit all of that content onto 1 or a minimal amount of discs. (The more discs, the bigger the packaging, the more expensive to distribute). Since PJs Middle Earth movies are on average almost 3 hours per movie (for the theatrical editions) and they are giving you a transfer as close to the DCP you saw in theatre as possible, then adding in all the extra features that are now standard, there isn't a whole lot of room left over after that... even for BluRays. Again, they can add more discs (thus bigger and different packaging) but that costs more to produce which ultimately trickles down to the consumer.

So if they have a market for both, why not create appropriate amounts for both and sell them to both? If people want it and buy it, then that is just following supply and demand.

But even after thinking through all of that...

No one makes people buy all of these editions. Fans have plenty of resources to find out about BluRay/DVD releases, what features they will offer and how much they will cost, well in advance of their release dates via the internet... I mean that's what we are doing right now.

No one is holding a proverbial "gun to your head" (if you will pardon the colloquialism) to make you purchase all of those options and deplete your bank account... and you do have a choice.

I'm not sure what is unacceptable about that.

My 2 Cents.

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Ataahua
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Jan 31 2013, 7:31pm

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right here. Please scan the first page of the board before posting to see if there is an existing thread or subthread for your topic, so that we don't have duplicate threads on the first page.

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arithmancer
Grey Havens

Jan 31 2013, 7:52pm

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Be buying both... [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree. I will be buying the cheapest, most basic DVD I can find in March, and consider that a fair price to have something I can watch while waiting for the EE. and something I don't mind letting the kids (not the world's most careful people...!) use in the DVD player in the back of the car.

And I will buy the EE in BluRay to watch at home and enjoy for years to come.


bborchar
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 8:09pm

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GoT is a little different, though... [In reply to] Can't Post

They aren't getting advertising money or the big bucks from a movie release...HBO is using it as a vehicle to sell subscriptions to their network (and it's a good one, too...we buy it only for that show). After it's released, you can watch any episode whenever you want to using their mobile service, HBOgo (every episode of every show they've ever done is available). If they sold the dvds too soon, no one would buy HBO.


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 8:36pm

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I have never watched the Theatrical editions of the LOTR trilogy after getting the extended editions. The theatrical editions don't exist as far as I am concerned.

And frankly when it comes to money the EEs are a much better deal with a snappier, classier presentation, MORE awesome scenes and moments and score AND amazing commentaries and hours of insightful behind the scenes footage.

It's because of the extended editions that I'm in the film industry today.

So I guffaw on your shoddy principles. Crazy

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Brandybuckled
Lorien


Jan 31 2013, 8:43pm

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They should at least be available for Christmas shopping and holiday viewing.

NAArP: Not An Ardent purist since Arda was dented



painjoiker
Grey Havens


Jan 31 2013, 8:46pm

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I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but that must be very close to the line!

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bborchar
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 8:50pm

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...that HBO releases the DVD set of the previous season at the same time they are gearing up their advertising campaign for the next season (indeed; they just started putting out teasers for Season 3 in the past couple of weeks). They aren't worried about the sale of the dvds as much as they are getting people excited about seeing the next season (and therefore subscribing).


Brandybuckled
Lorien


Jan 31 2013, 8:50pm

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sorry, very old arguments, but i won't ever buy an EE, just on principle.

i'll be first in the queue [or thereabouts] to see the film, & always buy the DVD very shortly after release, but the EE is just an unacceptable rip-off to me.



I mean, the extended version of Kingdom of Heaven is the only one worth watching/owning.

NAArP: Not An Ardent purist since Arda was dented



Kimtc
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 8:58pm

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I can't stand the mere six week wait! Worse, we have a 3D TV, so I will probably spring for the 3D Blu-ray, and then have to do it again to get the extra, what, 25 minutes of EE material. Sad, sad, sad.


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I might as well wear a shirt that says "TAKE MY MONEY NOW!!" I would normally wait for the EE, but I really want to see this again before then...so yes, we will be buying it twice ^^



hutch
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 9:00pm

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When LOTR came out, where I lived down South (in the US) the films were in theaters for 6 months. And they were packed the entire time.

But in 10 years so much has changed. Films barely get 4 weeks to be in theaters and make money. And forget about sleeper hits.

I wish it would stay in theaters longer because I won't have a chance to see HFR until Spring.

Alas...

Davy Jones could've been Bilbo...I mean he was a Brit with a sense for adventure, singing & dancing. And think of the costs it would've save with forced perspective: he was ACTUALLY 5'3. He also hung out with a grumpy tall dude in a hat (Mike Nesmith.) While we're at it let's just have Micky Dolenz and Peter Tork as Merry & Pippin.


hutch
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 9:03pm

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I still prefer the the tightness of FOTR's theatrical opening than the EE. And prefer to hear Gandalf telling Frodo about the outside world-which is not in the EEs.

Davy Jones could've been Bilbo...I mean he was a Brit with a sense for adventure, singing & dancing. And think of the costs it would've save with forced perspective: he was ACTUALLY 5'3. He also hung out with a grumpy tall dude in a hat (Mike Nesmith.) While we're at it let's just have Micky Dolenz and Peter Tork as Merry & Pippin.


nenyacaster
Bree


Jan 31 2013, 9:49pm

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the features are important [In reply to] Can't Post

If the theatrical edition has it's own directors commentary track (like there was one for LOTR) then that is worth listening to/watching. The commentary for the LOTR EE' dvds primarily just talked about what they added, and wasn't as interesting as what they had for the theatrical versions.

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