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Possibly my last HFR 3D viewing before it departs the theaters
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Jan 31 2013, 3:57am

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Possibly my last HFR 3D viewing before it departs the theaters Can't Post

This morning I had the theater all to myself - which meant that I could join right in on Misty Mountains!

Pardon me if these things have been said before, but a few observations leaped out at me:

Atop the Carrock, at the moment Thorin lifts his eyes from Bilbo and spots the Lonely Mountain all the others have their backs turned as they watch the eagles fly off - all except Bilbo, who looked at Thorin as they broke their embrace, saw Thorin's face change, and turned to see what had caught his eye.

The white warg has the same ritual scarring as Azog - two slashes above each eye and slashes on the shoulders and flanks, all evenly spaced and even lengths - in other words, not battle scars.

Is the yellowish seat cushion on the bench outside Bag End - the one Bilbo sits on to smoke at the beginning of the movie -the same one as the orange cushion the younger Bilbo is sitting on, only faded with the years? I guess it would be too much of a stretch to think it had lasted 60 years, though. Never mind!

I love the attention to detail, like the way the hedge/shrub has grown tall and thick behind that same bench.

As Bilbo opens the door to his first two visitors I love the contrast between Dwalin, whose intimidating appearance, fierce look and gruff voice belie his "at your service," and his brother Balin who gives Bilbo a big smile and a grand bow and then remarks on the night and the possiblity of rain later rather than Bilbo's lapse of manners in not replying "at yours."

I also love Dwalin asking Balin if he has eaten and Balin replying "I could eat again" - or is it the other way around?

Dori always says "Mr. Gandalf," even when he's about to plunge to his death from the pine tree.

The music! The way it changes to horns when Dwalin says of Thorin "He will come - "he is late, is all." The way the music swells as Gandalf hands the key to Thorin - which, by the way, reminds me very strongly of the music that crescendos when the fellowship first sees the great halls of Moria. The dwarf mischief music - what I think of as the plate music! - when Fili and Kili hoist Bilbo up on Myrtle, when Bofur tosses Bilbo his substitute for the missing pocket handkerchief. The single, sudden violin note as Gandalf catches his purse of winnings from his bet on Bilbo. The music when the eagles are soaring over the land (is it the same music as when Frodo and Sam are similarly rescued from Mt. Doom?), the familiar theme (Nazgul music?) when Thorin strides down from the pine to challenge Azog. . . such a mix of wonderful new music and some favorites from the LOTR trilogy that just make the movie so much more. . . ! And one of my favorite moments is when there is NO music - not any sound at all, in fact - as Bilbo stands in his empty, quiet home and realizes that it is TOO empty, TOO quiet, and suddenly decides to run out his front door to whatever adventure awaits - with the accompaniment of suddenly very loud, very lively music!

Bifur toasting with a tankard of salad greens.

Bofur grabbing the sausages around Nori's neck and using them to play tug o'war with him. Bofur has the most playful spirit of all of them - he's the jokester/prankster.

The first time we see Ori drinking from his tankard he is using two hands to hold it, which makes him look very young.

When Balin comments that they are not the brightest, someone calls out "Who are you calling dim?"

That moment when Bilbo realizes that Gandalf holds him in high regard - "He's got a great deal more to offer than any of you know - including himself!"

Bilbo's almost giddy smile when Balin formally welcomes him to the company of Thorin Oakenshield.

Thorin's scornful "No you didn't. You know nothing of the world" to Kili's "didn't mean anything by it." His voice cuts Kili just like a knife.

Balin's face and voice when he says of Azog "He began by beheading the king."

Azog is HUGE, immensely strong and vicious. He would be perfect in a Quentin Tarantino film. And every time I see him kneel after Thorin cuts off his forearm I wish Thorin would get up and cut off his other arm as well. Or perhaps his leg. Legs. And then my mind goes all Monty Python on me and I think of the black knight. . . *sigh*

Dori's "Here now, Mr. Gandalf, can't you do something about this deluge?" and Gandalf's voice/delivery when replying "It is raining, Master Dwarf, and it will continue to rain until the rain is DONE!"

That big bright blue crystal in Radagast's staff.

The huge webs in the woods visible in the first shot of Dol Goldur.

Kili's put-on innocence as he assures Bilbo "It's perfectly safe. We'll be right behind you!"

Tom the troll cleans his fingernails with a huge knife. Bert the cook is wearing an apron! And just as William says "Make him (Bilbo) squeal" Kili stabs him in the back of his leg and makes HIM squeal instead.

One of the best lines in the movie is Bilbo's "You're going to need something stronger than sage before you plate this lot up!"

Another: "we're making a long term deposit" as they bury the chest of gold in the troll cave.

The way the first two warg scouts leap straight for Thorin.

Bombur getting wedged in the narrow passage leading to the hidden valley and Bifur dislodging him with a push from behind.

As the elves ride in to Rivendell on their horses the dwarves push Bilbo behind them, and Dwalin pulls Ori back a bit as well.

I love Elrond's criss-cross purple armor.

Gandalf freezes when he first hears Saruman's voice behind him, then closes his eyes, takes a breath and fixes a false smile on his face as he turns around, all with Elrond looking on with a bemused, sympathetic smile as if he knew precisely how Gandalf would react to find Saruman there. And the very next shot is of a very weary Gandalf at sunrise, looking as though he'd been questioned and called to defend his actions all night long.

Saruman has a lot of nerve criticizing Radagast for yellowing teeth, since his own are not exactly models of good dental hygiene.

The Great Goblin has a ram's skull scepter - or is it? It has tusks in addition to the curly horns. There's a pile of skeletons on a little cart next to his throne - remains of a meal or snacks? Ick.

The little messenger goblin perched on the zip line looks as though he has arms for legs.

Bilbo hears Gollum with the orc he has dragged away, and as he advances toward the sound he suddenly sees his sword glowing bright blue and immediately points it as far down as he can without sheathing it, realizing that it will give him away.

Bilbo's courduroy coat has some threadbare spots after his tumble into Gollum's cavern.

Bilbo's face and his raised sword as he goes on high alert while watching Gollum figure out what Bilbo has in his pocket.

Balin fights the goblins with such smooth grace and style, almost like a dancer. Oin just flings his staff around in a circle. Bombur becomes a whirling dervish. And Thorin seems to like his new sword!

I love the eagle fanning the flames with his great wings, immolating several wargs and goblins in the ensuing firestorm.

Bombur is dangling from an eagle's talons in the background as Bilbo lands and looks at Thorin.

The dwarves cheer when Thorin hugs Bilbo - before that they are completely silent and watchful. And Dwalin leans on his axe, apparently relieved to find that Thorin was not ungrateful to Bilbo after all.

As the thrush flies toward Erebor all the vegetation is dried and dead, and the trees that are left are scorched sticks. And from gramma I knew that as the thrush bashed one snail against the rock wall the other retreated into its shell, but this time I noticed a much bigger snail on the side of the rock retreating inward as well.

I don't know how many times I've seen this movie now - something between 8 and 12 - but I wish it were going to be around longer because I still find it completely mesmerizing from start to finish.

Thank you for bearing with me. I love this movie. Love it, love it, love it.

Old Toby
Grey Havens

Jan 31 2013, 4:40am

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Possibly MY last 3D HFR viewing as well [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm so sad! Starting this Friday it will no longer be shown in the 3D HFR format, only the regular 2D. Which I've seen twice, and which by comparison is more than occasionally blurry and the colors are washed out and the brightness is too glaring. Sigh. So I may have to go One Last Time this Thursday night, even though it's a work night. I've seen it 15 times, and honestly, I could see it every weekend as long as it played in 3D HFR. I don't know if I'll go much to the regular 2D showings. Oh, I probably will.

Thanks for the great run-down of various moments! I can picture every one you mention!

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)

Grey Havens

Jan 31 2013, 8:31am

Post #3 of 45 (486 views)
And so all good things must come to an end. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm facing the same thing here soon, I think; though the two theatres in the area that had the HFR to start with still have it, and I believe not the 2D; so maybe they'll still have HFR another week or two. One other theater (the cheaper one, since everyone's afraid to go to it because of earthquakes) still has it in 2D. Hoping to make it once or twice more before the HFR is gone for good.

Love all your observations, Tintallė.

Balin's line: "He began by beheading the king" was beautifully delivered. You can tell Balin finds those words hard to say, and the memory painful; that wasn't just "the" king, it was his king.

Kili looks so crestfallen and dejected after Thorin's reprimand ("No you didn't; you know nothing of the world") that I just want to give him a cuddle. He's been thoroughly deflated. Did you notice how he had been working on something -- cleaning his pipe? or whittling something out of wood? I haven't yet been able to tell -- before the reprimand, but afterwards, it appears he doesn't go back to working on it; he just sits there looking miserable.

And the first two warg scouts leaping -- they really are leaping at Thorin, aren't they? That suggests they really are targeting him, and that somehow they recognize him. Interesting.

Did you notice how, just before the trolls when Gandalf and Thorin have their testy exchange about visiting Rivendell, ending when Gandalf stalks off in disgust -- Thorin has his hand on the hilt of his sword the entire time? Not that he'd use it, of course, but it just subtly emphasizes how strongly he feels about regarding elves as The Enemy -- and how stubborn he is with this viewpoint.

Still haven't managed to notice Bifur toasting with salad greens. There must be something else in that moment that I can't tear my eyes from!


Jan 31 2013, 10:52am

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Ok now you've made me want to see it again [In reply to] Can't Post

I've only seen it twice so far but as of yesterday it's still playing in my area. Maybe I'll call the theater today to find out when the last show will be. Unlike gramma, I don't have the theater people calling me with this info. Wink


Jan 31 2013, 10:57am

Post #5 of 45 (437 views)
Wow! The best response I could have hoped for! [In reply to] Can't Post

I hope you see it again and thoroughly enjoy it!

Yes, no doubt gramma has a special hotline to the theater!


Jan 31 2013, 11:08am

Post #6 of 45 (451 views)
I didn't notice that! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thorin's hand on his sword as he argues with Gandalf about going to Rivendell - I never noticed that. I was probably too busy swooning over his voice. That voice. Those eyes. That hair - and I know it's yak hair but it's still - guh.

What was I saying? Oh yes, Thorin's hand on his sword. I'll have to look for that as well as whatever it is Kili is doing when he teases Bilbo with visions of orc raids and blood. Kili always looks to Thorin for cues and for leadership, I think, and there's both love and awe in his manner much of the time.

Oh I am in for some serious heartbreak in the upcoming movies. I'd better lay in a supply of waterproof mascara.


Jan 31 2013, 12:51pm

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Me too [In reply to] Can't Post

Going to see it one last time tomorrow - most likely by myself in the theater....but one thing I noticed in previous viewings is that there is not a lot of dialogue time with the other dwarves. I mean we literally get no dialog from Bombur, Bifur, Nori, Oin, etc. I just started to see this after trying to recall is say Nori said ANYTHING in the movie aside from a yell or battle cry. Maybe I am just imagining this??


Jan 31 2013, 1:08pm

Post #8 of 45 (414 views)
His hand on his hilt... [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't really see it as a menacing gesture...it's natural for someone to rest or bear weight on an object that is there, so to speak. An example is when women are pregnant...they tend to rest their hands or arms on their stomachs. Same with canes...if I handed you a cane, whether you needed it or not, you'd put your weight against it. That's how I saw this scene...I never once imagined he was actually thinking about it.


Jan 31 2013, 1:12pm

Post #9 of 45 (407 views)
2D here [In reply to] Can't Post

in the times slots I can go. Only four in yesterday's show, so seating rocked. Starting to like Bifur so much: doesn't say much, does dishes, good with a spear....what's not to love?

Aiming for 13 shows. Almost there.

Thank you for a great post! So fun to read.

...she took the point at once, but she also took the spoons.

The Prancing Pony

Jan 31 2013, 1:26pm

Post #10 of 45 (402 views)
Nori [In reply to] Can't Post

Nori speaks twice during the whole film (as far as I noticed). Once he says only "Yes" as an answer to Gloin and then at the end when Gandalf wants to know the whereabouts of the burglar he says "I thought he was with Dori." But it took me a while to realise he said anything at all.

I've seen it six times now, 2D, 3D, and 3D HFR. The last one was on monday, but only in 2D. I would have preferred HFR, but most cinemas have already pulled it out. Watching it on your own has definitely some advantages as there are less distractions from other people. I once saw it in the afternoon and I was the only one in the room. And though it was only 2D, everything around me was so dark and quiet that I was right in the story. It was fantastic (and quite scary at times).
I will have to wait till the DVD comes out now.

I wish you all a great last viewing (at least for now). Smile

"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world."

(This post was edited by The Prancing Pony on Jan 31 2013, 1:27pm)

Grey Havens

Jan 31 2013, 1:32pm

Post #11 of 45 (405 views)
Other Dwarves [In reply to] Can't Post

Bifur speaks to Gandalf during the party in Bag End (not compehensibly, also using getsures). I believe that the filmmakers' backstory for him includes damage (from the axe in his forehead!) that affects the language areas of his brain so in his case there is a deliberate choice that this is a character who will not be doing a lot of verbal communication.

Oin is the one who has "read the portents" - that the birds are returning to the mountain and it is a propitious time for the quest. He speaks regarding this at Bag End, and also at the Carrock (when he misidentifies a thrush as a raven, perhaps because his ear trumpet has been squashed by a goblin). Nori is the one who sees Bilbo sneak away when the goblins come (this is shown in the relevant scene), and has a line about this when Bilbo's absence is noted by Gandalf after they leave the Goblin caves. You're right about Bombur.

But certainly some Dwarves get a lot more lines!


Jan 31 2013, 1:37pm

Post #12 of 45 (408 views)
I'm a little shocked it is still even showing at all [In reply to] Can't Post

the local cinemas round me got rid of it almost two weeks ago. even the big cinema near me only has one showing left - 2D.

Still lucky you to live where they are showing it still in HFR Smile


Jan 31 2013, 1:42pm

Post #13 of 45 (392 views)
Actually, I believe... [In reply to] Can't Post

Nori is the one who says "I think I saw him slip away when they first collared us". I'm not sure who says "I thought he was with Dori", though- they are off screen.

Grey Havens

Jan 31 2013, 1:45pm

Post #14 of 45 (387 views)
I agree [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To
Nori is the one who says "I think I saw him slip away when they first collared us". I'm not sure who says "I thought he was with Dori", though- they are off screen.

It matches up to the moment when Bilbo slips away from the Goblins, too. Nori is shown looking back at that moment, so he would be the one who would know this.

The Prancing Pony

Jan 31 2013, 1:48pm

Post #15 of 45 (370 views)
Ah, you're right, thank you // [In reply to] Can't Post


"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world."


Jan 31 2013, 2:10pm

Post #16 of 45 (382 views)
Bifur's brain [In reply to] Can't Post

You are probably right. I've noticed the scar on the left temple extending to the parietal area. Think they are going for left frontal and a Broca injury, with the speech and flat affect.

...she took the point at once, but she also took the spoons.


Jan 31 2013, 3:31pm

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Yes, well the last opportunity for me is today [In reply to] Can't Post

and I can't go because RL calls.

I'm in San Diego, and only 2 of the gazillion theaters in this county are showing it in HFR 3D; one is 15 minutes from my front door in Carlsbad and the other - the one I went to yesterday - is an older theater smack dab in the middle of downtown San Diego. I have not yet checked to see if it will be anywere in any format next week. I have never seen it in anything but HFR 3D and I'm kind of afraid to in case I find it too different an experience. I probably will if it's available, though.


Jan 31 2013, 10:38pm

Post #18 of 45 (311 views)
Some nice observations you got there! // [In reply to] Can't Post


The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.

The Shire

Feb 1 2013, 12:06am

Post #19 of 45 (318 views)
Grizzly Bear Carrock [In reply to] Can't Post

I've seen it 4 times, all in HFR3D, except the fourth time. I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet, but in certain shots you can see that the carrock is carved in a way to resemble a roaring grizzly bear. In different shots you can see the ears, nose and open mouth pointing slightly upward. I didn't notice this until my fourth viewing and thought it was a nice touch to hint at Beorn for the next film. If you haven't seen this yet, try not to watch the eagles and observe the carrock....you'll see what I'm talking about. It's been a year since I read the book, so I wasn't sure if the carrock was described that way or not. Anyone else see this?

Grey Havens

Feb 1 2013, 10:40am

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Just found out... [In reply to] Can't Post

AUJ is leaving our Big Three theatres on Tuesday. I don't think it will be playing at any of the little independent theaters...not sure we have any left after the earthquakes, actually, and I'm sure whatever ones are still around think they have better things to play. Sadness. I'm going to try to work in #13 (13 viewings, 13 dwarves...seems fitting!) Monday or Tuesday. Then it's all down to waiting for the DVD!


Feb 1 2013, 4:26pm

Post #21 of 45 (264 views)
I will have to [In reply to] Can't Post

buy all the tickets to that theater online...and then send them to you, so that you can view it all by yourself.


Feb 1 2013, 4:30pm

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Yes! [In reply to] Can't Post

That was mentioned here, which of course had me running back to the theater to look for that and for other's ovservations that I had also missed, especially Bifur toasting with salad greens in his tankard!

Reading others' reflections upon the film has enhanced my enjoyment of the movie beyond anything I could have imagined. I miss it already.


Feb 1 2013, 4:34pm

Post #23 of 45 (265 views)
13 seems like the perfect number of viewings! [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't even know how many times I went - something more than 8 and fewer than 12. There's one more in HFR 3D tonight at 10:55 p.m. but I can't go. I have to get up at 5 a.m. for work, and no one wants to be cared for by an ICU nurse who hasn't had enough sleep the night before!

Old Toby
Grey Havens

Feb 1 2013, 5:43pm

Post #24 of 45 (258 views)
One Last Time [In reply to] Can't Post

Well, I went after work last night to watch it in 3D HFR for the last time it is playing in that format. (sob!) Now I will have to be content with seeing it in regular 2D. (sigh) until it leaves theaters altogether, which I suspect will be soon.

And then the long dark of waiting until DOS next year begins. (double sigh)

"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)


Feb 1 2013, 10:28pm

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What a lovely list of observations! [In reply to] Can't Post

Newcomer here. I joined so that I could thank you and all the other posters whose comments have helped me catch so many small details each time I see the film. And each time, it's a richer experience. We may have 3D HFR here for one more week, so I may get to 12 total viewings -- here's hoping!

Don't know whether these have already been mentioned, but here's what I noted when I saw it yesterday:

Bilbo's mailbox -- love the design, wish I could have one just like it!

The soot mark on the wall above the candle in the room where (Holm's) Bilbo is finishing his 'No Admittance' sign. The set designers have thought of absolutely every detail!

For the very first time, I managed to drag my eyes away from Thorin as he enters Bag End and see the little deferential bows given by Dori and Ori standing off to the side. Thorin's old friend Dwalin, standing between them, does not bow.

I love how literally Balin responds to Bilbo during the Bag End scene:
Bilbo - Good evening
Balin - Yes. Yes, it is. Although I think it might rain later.
Bilbo - I'm sorry.
Balin - Apology accepted.
Such a great little contrast moment in the script after Gandalf's riff on the various meanings of 'Good morning'.

At Elrond's table, I was so glad to see that Gandalf had a nice large glass of red wine!

And back to Thorin (not hard at all!). I love the quick lookover that Thorin gives Bilbo after the bear hug on The Carrock. When he releases Bilbo (and before saying 'I am sorry I doubted you'), he takes a second to look him up and down and confirm that Bilbo really is uninjured. This look, the very direct apology, and Bilbo's equally direct response ('not a hero, not a warrior, not even a burgler') are just so beautifully handled by both Armitage and Freeman.

...one morning long ago in the quiet of the world, when there was less noise and more green... The Hobbit

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