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frodolives
Lorien

Jan 30 2013, 10:41pm

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I loved AUJ, but I've got a couple of niggling worries about DOS. Namely, I fear that Bilbo's heroism in fighting the Mirkwood spiders and his cleverness at putting the dwarves in barrels will be undermined by Tauriel and Legolas. I've got a feeling that the elves are going to join in the Mirkwood spider fight and that Tauriel at least will help with the barrel escape. Thoughts?


Hamfast of Gamwich
Rivendell


Jan 30 2013, 11:09pm

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I'm not worried [In reply to] Can't Post

Given that in AUJ Bilbo is made more heroic than in the book (he tricks the trolls and fights goblins and orcs) I doubt they'll do the opposite in DoS.


Rostron2
Gondor


Jan 30 2013, 11:12pm

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If I'm following your thought correctly [In reply to] Can't Post

You're concerned that the elves will play more than an incidental role in their escape from the spiders. That would worry me, too. That would indeed undermine Bilbo's role a bit. I don't know anything of course, but I don't see that they need the elves. I could quite easily see the elves capture the dwarves after the initial escape is done, and the dwarves are trying to fight their way out of the spider glens.

The difficulty here is motivation. Bilbo would trust elves not to be horrible to his friends, but he wouldn't want to be captured with them. It also brings up the question of whether Thorin is captured with or without the rest of the dwarves. If he's NOT with them, it's further reason for Bilbo to follow and see if Thorin was captured in the same way. If he's with them, then he just kind of tags along invisibly. I don't know. I'm trying to think how the scenes would be most exicting and action packed. Legolas shooting 32 spiders at once with one arrow would be nifty to see, but it does undermine Bilbo's individual effort to rescue and rally his friends. Now that he's more accepted by Thorin and Co. it means he would be going ahead with his pledge to help them.

I think the barrel escape is quite a different matter. There's a lot of rumors about Tauriel etc. What we know is that Ev Lilly said she has a line sort of like 'the cells are empty'. Now if she was helping, I don't know if that line makes sense. That would raise the alarm. Of course she could be taken totally out of context.

Of course, she could say it with a complete sense of being dumbfounded. Unless she KNOWS Bilbo is around somewhere (they met somehow while he was stealing something to eat) I don't see how she's going to be motivated to help get all the dwarves away. That's really Bilbo's job and plan. She could 'look the other way' I guess, and somehow feels sympathy. Is she going to betray her King and people by letting these dwarves escape because of a casual meeting with a somewhat handsome dwarf? That's a serious stretch, unless you turn the wood elves into highly emotional creatures very different from the Noldor -- which they are -- but still, it's a stretch for a script-writer. All characters are hopefully written with something they want as a goal. What does Tauriel want?

The whole idea of Tauriel and Kili is interesting. Since it's a totally made up thing, I wonder at its believability, and wether they can devote much time to developing any kind of feelings or admiration or puppy love or whatever. The only precedent is Gimli's wonder at Lady Galadriel. It's quite different. Gimli's situation was different, and Galadriel is extremely powerful and charismatic. He wasn't going to get much from any kind of crush. Tauriel is from a more down-to-earth sort of elven strain, more could happen I guess.

I guess it all depends on whether they have been joking around about it, and they're throwing things to the media to spin, or whether there's an actual scripted set so scenes and conversations. Have there been any pictures of Tauriel with Kili? Even with her holding him at arrow-point? The hand in that one picture is holding Gloin at arrow point, and most people think it's Legolas.

I'm thinking out loud here...anyone else?


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Jan 30 2013, 11:12pm

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I'm not too worried... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm guessing that Bilbo will have already rescued the company from the spider colony when the Wood-elves drive off the spiders that are still in persuit. And a line that Evangeline Lilly has recited from her film dialogue suggests that Tauriel is the first to discover the dwarves' escape, not part of that escape.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


ElendurTheFaithful
Rivendell

Jan 30 2013, 11:17pm

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"The cells are empty!" [In reply to] Can't Post

said Evangeline Lilly in elvish and with angry voice when asked to give some Tauriel quotes. Doesn't sound like she's been helping.


bborchar
Rohan


Jan 30 2013, 11:29pm

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My thoughts... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think that PJ will have to make the elves a bit more likable than they are in the book- obviously, we know them very well because of LotR, so the way they act in the book isn't exactly keeping in their nature. However, something will prompt them to lock up the dwarves. It could be they have heard about this mission from Rivendell, and don't want the dwarves to continue on their journey for fear of the dragon- or that Thranduil knows Thorin (which seems only natural), and realizes what he wants to do. I'm not scared at all about any mischaracterizations, though. The characters are already firmly established.

I do, however, think that there will be one major change: I don't see Bilbo becoming the defacto leader of the company, the way he does in the book. The dwarves in PJ's version are far more capable than they are in the book. Some might feel that this "diminishes" Bilbo's role, but I don't think it will...he still has to deal with the dragon without help, which is the most important part of the journey.


dormouse
Half-elven


Jan 30 2013, 11:32pm

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You loved AUJ.... [In reply to] Can't Post

... for goodness' sake don't spend the next eleven months worrying. They've already shown Bilbo to be heroic and resourceful. Why would they change that now?


Ziggy Stardust
Gondor


Jan 31 2013, 1:38am

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Yes [In reply to] Can't Post

I can see what you mean. Bilbo is the hero and the one who got the Dwarves out of Mirkwood and into the barrels. Like you, I do not want Bilbo's courageous heroism to be undermined by Tauriel, even Legolas. I love Legolas, but this is Bilbo's story, Legolas' story comes later. I really hope they let Bilbo do his thing.


Kelly of Water's Edge
Lorien

Jan 31 2013, 1:41am

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From what I've read [In reply to] Can't Post

Tauriel is apparently going to be a gender-bended version of the unnamed Captain of the Guards. Unless there's a drastic change, that means it's going to be her who Bilbo lifts the keys from to spring the Dwarves. All we really know about that character book wise is that he was the butler's drinking buddy and Bilbo felt bad about putting him in a situation where he was going to catch heck because he had treated the Dwarves decently. Exactly how much this will be tweaked in the movie remains to be seen.

What role Legolas is going to have is more up in the air, but keep in mind The Hobbit took place long before his legendary friendship with Gimli. It would be sort of inconsistent for him to become too close to Thorin's company.


Sślimė
Rivendell


Jan 31 2013, 3:03am

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Legolas [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't like the thought of Legolas being in The Hobbit and I hope it's just a cameo. However, if he has to be in it, for some reason I'd really like to see him a rather spoiled and snobbish Elf prince -- now that'd be interesting Tongue


Mooseboy018
Gondor


Jan 31 2013, 3:37am

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It's definitely more than just a cameo. [In reply to] Can't Post

Based on that shot from Entertainment Weekly, he's going to meet Bard at some point. So he's not just going to pop up in Mirkwood for two seconds then disappear.


Grant
The Shire

Jan 31 2013, 5:55am

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I also think... [In reply to] Can't Post

...he might find and capture Gollum at some point. No proof of this but I think might try to sneak Gollum in the later movies and Gollum was with the Mirkwood Elves at some point before he was captured by Sauron.


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Jan 31 2013, 6:15am

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DOS Worries [In reply to] Can't Post

I prefer all the newer operating systems like XP and Windows 7 to DOS, so I'm not really worried about it.


Sślimė
Rivendell


Jan 31 2013, 6:32am

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Hmmm... [In reply to] Can't Post

Then I can only hope for the snobbish little Elf prince then Tongue


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Jan 31 2013, 9:00am

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Don't worry; be happy. [In reply to] Can't Post

Seriously. Isn't it way too early to start worrying yet? PJ eventually came to his senses about Arwen fighting at Helm's Deep (yes, she was originally supposed to turn up there -- and fight!), and I can only cross my fingers and trust that he will remain sensible with whatever he has Tauriel do. And Legolas? Well, we already know he can surf the wild mūmakil, and shield-surf down long flights of stairs -- he doesn't have much left to prove, does he? So surely PJ will leave the proving up to Bilbo, as it should be. PJ's not going to ruin Bilbo's character arc; if anything, he'll enhance it, elaborate it, embellish it, etc. in fantastic ways we haven't yet imagined. As grammaboodawg says, "Trust PJ." I think DOS is in good hands.


Rolfina
Rivendell


Jan 31 2013, 9:06am

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I'm not worried [In reply to] Can't Post

I already know that I will not like every single aspect of the film, but that I will still love it anyways. I knew this before AUJ, and that one had aspects that I didn't like, and still I wouldn't want it any other way. Weird, I know.
I know not being critical is considered a weakness by some, and I am very critical when it comes to important aspects in life. But I reserve the right to be an uncritical fangirl when I want to. Don't actually have a choice, really. I don't chose what I love, I just love. DOS, bring it on, PJ.


bborchar
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 12:50pm

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DOS is so 20th century... [In reply to] Can't Post


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I prefer all the newer operating systems like XP and Windows 7 to DOS, so I'm not really worried about it.


I like snow leopard myself...but I have to say, there was a pretty cool LotR Easter egg hiding in my OS 10 terminal (really).


Eleniel
Grey Havens


Jan 31 2013, 2:12pm

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No, that was well after he'd been captured, and released by Sauron... [In reply to] Can't Post

Aragorn tracks Gollum down on the fringes of Mordor after he had been tortured by Sauron and 'let go' - probably to see if he would be drawn once towards the Ring...

He drags him to Mirkwood where Gandalf is able to interrogate him, and is left in the care of Thranduil's Elves until he escapes just before the Council of Elrond.

The Hobbit takes place way too early for any of that to fit in...


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
Æ Victoria Monfort






(This post was edited by Eleniel on Jan 31 2013, 2:13pm)


Kimtc
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 2:33pm

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I see Tauriel as the Haldir of these movies [In reply to] Can't Post

And I would hazard a guess that in TABA she will meet the same fate, probably in a similar manner. Ties up a lot of loose ends.


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Seriously. Isn't it way too early to start worrying yet? PJ eventually came to his senses about Arwen fighting at Helm's Deep (yes, she was originally supposed to turn up there -- and fight!), and I can only cross my fingers and trust that he will remain sensible with whatever he has Tauriel do. And Legolas? Well, we already know he can surf the wild mūmakil, and shield-surf down long flights of stairs -- he doesn't have much left to prove, does he? So surely PJ will leave the proving up to Bilbo, as it should be. PJ's not going to ruin Bilbo's character arc; if anything, he'll enhance it, elaborate it, embellish it, etc. in fantastic ways we haven't yet imagined. As grammaboodawg says, "Trust PJ." I think DOS is in good hands.



Imladris18
Lorien

Jan 31 2013, 5:00pm

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"Children's Story" [In reply to] Can't Post

If they plan on keeping the tone a bit lighter than LotR throughout, I don't see them killing off ANOTHER main/likeable character, let alone one of the only women in the story.

Or that could be the tone-transition climax and it's full-out darkness at that point. I guess we'll just have to wait and see, lol.


Kimtc
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 5:10pm

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Well, they did toss around Thror's head at the beginning. [In reply to] Can't Post

And we heard Beorn is involved in a torture scene. Sticking an arrow through an elf would be pretty light by that point.


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If they plan on keeping the tone a bit lighter than LotR throughout, I don't see them killing off ANOTHER main/likeable character, let alone one of the only women in the story.

Or that could be the tone-transition climax and it's full-out darkness at that point. I guess we'll just have to wait and see, lol.



bborchar
Rohan


Jan 31 2013, 5:39pm

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I think the only real "light" tone about it... [In reply to] Can't Post

...is that it's not about the end of the world, and the characters are naturally more ebullient than the other races. Doesn't mean that bad stuff can't happen to them or other people.


macfalk
Valinor


Jan 31 2013, 10:36pm

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The only thing that worries me slightly is how they will handle Tauriel. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


aifeme
Rivendell


Jan 31 2013, 11:54pm

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I'm worried about Stephen Fry. [In reply to] Can't Post

I know many people here think that he's brilliant...but I think he's a terrible actor. I've watched some of his movies and I really, really do not like his style. I don't know what PJ & crew sees in him.Crazy


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Feb 1 2013, 12:38am

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From the pictures, I think Thorin remains with the company, and the Elves do aid with the Spiders, AFTER Bilbo's initial rescue. [In reply to] Can't Post

Based on photos and toys etc, plus a touch of rumour, what seems most likely is Thorin remains with the company. Bilbo FREES them from the spiders, but they are chased and eventually Elves come to the rescue and take the dwarves prisoner. I have seen photos of Thorin with the company and Bilbo in Mirkwood, seemingly all laced over with residual webs, and Thorin is still wielding Orcrist, though some of the other dwarves have seemingly lost their weapons.

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You're concerned that the elves will play more than an incidental role in their escape from the spiders. That would worry me, too. That would indeed undermine Bilbo's role a bit. I don't know anything of course, but I don't see that they need the elves. I could quite easily see the elves capture the dwarves after the initial escape is done, and the dwarves are trying to fight their way out of the spider glens.

The difficulty here is motivation. Bilbo would trust elves not to be horrible to his friends, but he wouldn't want to be captured with them. It also brings up the question of whether Thorin is captured with or without the rest of the dwarves. If he's NOT with them, it's further reason for Bilbo to follow and see if Thorin was captured in the same way. If he's with them, then he just kind of tags along invisibly. I don't know. I'm trying to think how the scenes would be most exicting and action packed. Legolas shooting 32 spiders at once with one arrow would be nifty to see, but it does undermine Bilbo's individual effort to rescue and rally his friends. Now that he's more accepted by Thorin and Co. it means he would be going ahead with his pledge to help them.

I think the barrel escape is quite a different matter. There's a lot of rumors about Tauriel etc. What we know is that Ev Lilly said she has a line sort of like 'the cells are empty'. Now if she was helping, I don't know if that line makes sense. That would raise the alarm. Of course she could be taken totally out of context.

Of course, she could say it with a complete sense of being dumbfounded. Unless she KNOWS Bilbo is around somewhere (they met somehow while he was stealing something to eat) I don't see how she's going to be motivated to help get all the dwarves away. That's really Bilbo's job and plan. She could 'look the other way' I guess, and somehow feels sympathy. Is she going to betray her King and people by letting these dwarves escape because of a casual meeting with a somewhat handsome dwarf? That's a serious stretch, unless you turn the wood elves into highly emotional creatures very different from the Noldor -- which they are -- but still, it's a stretch for a script-writer. All characters are hopefully written with something they want as a goal. What does Tauriel want?

The whole idea of Tauriel and Kili is interesting. Since it's a totally made up thing, I wonder at its believability, and wether they can devote much time to developing any kind of feelings or admiration or puppy love or whatever. The only precedent is Gimli's wonder at Lady Galadriel. It's quite different. Gimli's situation was different, and Galadriel is extremely powerful and charismatic. He wasn't going to get much from any kind of crush. Tauriel is from a more down-to-earth sort of elven strain, more could happen I guess.

I guess it all depends on whether they have been joking around about it, and they're throwing things to the media to spin, or whether there's an actual scripted set so scenes and conversations. Have there been any pictures of Tauriel with Kili? Even with her holding him at arrow-point? The hand in that one picture is holding Gloin at arrow point, and most people think it's Legolas.

I'm thinking out loud here...anyone else?


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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