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Sting Glows Blue When?


Jan 28 2013, 1:59am

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Everybody knows the answer to that! “When the blade turns blue then the beer is as cold as the rocky Misty Mountains.” No? That’s not right? Oh sorry…ahem. Moving on!

“The blade glows blue when orcs or goblins are near!” There! That’s more like it!

Now you need to know a couple of things before reading this looong post. First, this is kind of a conspiracy theory about the hobbit movies…actually it really is, and you may have heard some or most of it before (I’ve been slacking on the forums lately so I wouldn’t really know. I've done a search but couldn't find all of this)…you have been warned!! Secondly, you need to know that Mount Gundabad is a mountain way in the North of Middle-earth above the Misty Mountains and Dol Guldur is Sauron’s fortress in the far southern end of Mirkwood. Lastly, the purpose of this post is to solve two of the biggest mysteries that have puzzled people in AUJ simultaneously. Got it? Good! Now we go on.

Now when I saw the film the first two times I was annoyed that Sting was glowing blue in the Misty Mountains with the goblins, but that it wasn’t when there were orcs in the “Out of the Frying Pan and Into the Fire Run” scene. I thought that it was just a really stupid mistake on the part of the visual effects crew, and I still kinda think that it might have been, but now I’m not so sure.

Then when I watched the movie a third time, I noticed that Bilbo also draws Sting in the Warg scene when the mounted orcs are surrounding them after Radagast draws them off. Guess what, it still wasn’t glowing blue! Did the filmmakers really make that big of a mistake twice in the film without anybody on the team noticing it!?!? I thought so at first, but now I don’t think so. I think there’s another reason and this is my idea for what they might be doing.

The first thing you need to remember is in the Misty Mountains when Gollum finally finishes off that scary goblin. Bilbo looks at his sword and it flashes off since there is no longer a living goblin or orc around. This could have just been a nice touch, and it seems like it at first. It could merely be an interesting little tidbit for geeks to pick up on and talk about. “Whoa that’s cool! The goblins have to be alive for Sting to glow!” But there may just be more to it than that too, and we’ll come back to it later for further review.

Now here’s the other end of this conspiracy theory of mine. I should say “our conspiracy theory” I suppose, for I’ve gathered the following information from many others (including my family). There have been several interesting and odd things noticed with the Gundabad orcs that are tracking the Company.

First of all, we know there’s something strange about them. They are not your usual orc. They travel in daylight, which was very odd for orcs in that time until the Uruk-hai came along, and they speak the Black Speech of Mordor, even though they are “Gundabad” orcs from a mountain about as far away from Mordor as you can get.

Secondly, their theme, used for both the hunting orcs and for Azog himself (dun-dun-dun-dunnnnnnn…da da da) is almost identical to the Dol Guldur theme heard whenever Radagast is involved in dealings with the old fortress and its inhabitants. Furthermore, Doug Adams, when trying to explain the Nazgul theme in the end of the film, said that there might be more of a connection between Azog and Saruon than meets the eye (or words to that effect).

Thirdly, Bolg is said to be a torturer in Dol Guldur who is rumoured to meet Gandalf there in future films. Now Bolg is the son of Azog who is “a giant, Gundabad orc” according to the films. I ask you this now: Why would the son of a “Gundabad orc” be living all the way down in Dol Guldur?? I think this is why: in Azanulbizar, you can clearly see the young Dwalin kill Bolg if you are looking for it and know Bolg’s design. I am thus convinced that if Bolg has a larger role in the next films as rumors say, then his dead body was found by the Necromancer and he is now an undead orc.

This brings us to the next odd tidbit:

“We’ve been hunting a pack of Orcs that came up from the South.” – Elrond to Gandalf in Rivendell. Wait a minute: Gundabad wargs and orcs from the mountain in the North have come up from the South? What? It doesn’t seem to make sense! But then again Dol Guldur is in the south, and maybe the Gundabad orcs moved there first and then went up to find Thorin and Company. But why would they all move there? Well if Bolg’s body was found by the Necromancer after Azanulbizar, then why not all of the orcs killed at Moria? They could have all been zombified by the Necromancer, including Azog!

“Let us examine what we know:” Thorin was almost sure that Azog would have been killed of his wounds in Moria, and we can see Bolg being killed by Dwalin in the same scene, as well as a great number of the other Gundabad orcs. The Gundabad orcs in the movie have an obvious connection to Sauron in their music and their speech, and they can travel in sunlight. Sting does not glow blue around them, and they have come from Dol Guldur though there home is Mount Gundabad. Maybe all of the Gundabad orcs are “neither living nor dead”, but rather undead, or zombie orcs!

Now you must really think I’m crazy, and your probably thinking, “Even if this were so, wouldn’t Sting still glow when the undead orcs are near anyway? This doesn’t prove anything.” The answer is no. I’m going to take you back to the Misty Mountains episode spoken of before to complete this post.

Was it only a neat little geeky moment for fans to see that the sword’s light goes out with the life of the goblins? Or were the filmmakers telling us something regarding the nature of Sting? Didn’t it seem like they really wanted to make it clear that the sword only glows for alive orcs. If the Gundabad orcs are undead, then Sting might not recognize them as the living orcs it used to glow for. It all ties together so well that I think it must be true. The filmmakers almost seem like they’re saying to us, “Look! Look! Sting goes out when the orc becomes dead…hint hint.” And then again “Look! Look at that everyone! Sting isn’t glowing anymore! Hey cast and crew come here! We messed up on that part! Dang it! What a huge mistake!!! (chuckle chuckle chuckle)”

So what do you think? Am I crazy, or is this plausible? Has this all been revealed or speculated before? Discuss! I would like to hear your comments and theories! Laugh

- flurgaburgburrahobbit

"I have found it is in the small things, everyday deeds of ordinary folk, that keep the darkness at bay. Simple acts of kindness and love. Why Bilbo Baggins? Perhaps it is because I am afraid, and he gives me courage." - Gandalf the Grey.

"Do not be afraid Mithrandir. You are not alone. If ever you should need my help, I will come." -Lady Galadriel.

Subject User Time
Sting Glows Blue When? burgahobbit Send a private message to burgahobbit Jan 28 2013, 1:59am
    I think... The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Jan 28 2013, 2:23am
    Makes sense... Joe20 Send a private message to Joe20 Jan 28 2013, 2:31am
    It glows blue... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 28 2013, 2:34am
        yes, I'd rather go for the inconsistencies explanation... a Necromanced Orc-race is sooo crazy.. // Xanaseb Send a private message to Xanaseb Jan 28 2013, 3:47pm
            sometimes it glows... swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 28 2013, 8:42pm
    wow moonrunes Send a private message to moonrunes Jan 28 2013, 2:59am
        That would... Ereinion Nénharma Send a private message to Ereinion Nénharma Jan 28 2013, 12:50pm
        I agree that would be a really really cool scene! burgahobbit Send a private message to burgahobbit Jan 28 2013, 1:56pm
    My question about this theory. arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jan 28 2013, 3:11am
        Into the Fire scene Gelir Send a private message to Gelir Jan 28 2013, 7:05am
        Very good points burgahobbit Send a private message to burgahobbit Jan 28 2013, 1:45pm
    Well go figure. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jan 28 2013, 3:15am
    This is a very intriguing theory... jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Jan 28 2013, 5:02am
    They've turned East, they're heading for Isengard! Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jan 28 2013, 5:14am
    Ok so I just re watched the end Joe20 Send a private message to Joe20 Jan 28 2013, 7:43am
        I've seen the scene again too burgahobbit Send a private message to burgahobbit Jan 28 2013, 1:31pm
    Interesting theory! // macfalk Send a private message to macfalk Jan 28 2013, 8:21am
    um deskp Send a private message to deskp Jan 28 2013, 9:06am
        Sting only bothers to glow... Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Jan 28 2013, 9:54am
    Sting does glow..! esheming Send a private message to esheming Jan 28 2013, 3:08pm
    Well...there *was* that early interview with Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Jan 28 2013, 3:45pm
    Nice theories Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 28 2013, 4:22pm
    undead orcs andwise Send a private message to andwise Jan 28 2013, 5:11pm
    "The only good Orc is an undead Orc." The Necromancer. Kangi Ska Send a private message to Kangi Ska Jan 28 2013, 7:33pm
        zorcs... swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 28 2013, 8:43pm
    The Hobbit: Zombie Apocalypse Lio Send a private message to Lio Jan 28 2013, 9:12pm
        maybe azog and bolg (and some of their kinsmen) are ghosts, others not? Êleniel Tindome Send a private message to Êleniel Tindome Jan 30 2013, 8:15pm


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