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Dwarfs oxen cart

Radagast's Lead Bunny

Jan 27 2013, 7:35pm

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OK guys so we have this picture of an oxen cart used by merchants. What about a military oxen cart with armored animals and a platform to fire onto the ennemies of Durin's line from a better height.

I think it will be a good idea.

PJ if you read this message please give us your thoughts about this subject. It could make the difference between a boring all infantry dwarves army and a great army.


Jan 28 2013, 4:03pm

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I see this as a more dwarven thing than boar cavalry. War wagons.

The only logistical problem is that oxen pulling wagons are very slow. Dain has to get from the Iron Hills to the mountain quickly, and dwarves can force march like nobody's business. We all know how fast-paced these films are during action scenes. I don't think we're going to get a hurry up and wait for the oxen.

Tol Eressea

Jan 28 2013, 8:53pm

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... a battleox

(I actually thought of that for my own stories)


The top speed for the average domestic cow is around 17mph. Humans are faster. Probably Dwarves too. Cows, even little bitty ones like Jerseys, are strong, and use their heads like frickin bulldozers (hence the word: BULL dozer).

American bison on the other hand, stand 6'6" at the shoulder, weigh in at 2,200 pounds, and run 40 mph. They use their heads like snowplows to shove away snow to forage the grass underneath. I suspect they could plow through a mess of orcs easily enough. They are pretty much just wild cattle. You can cross them easily with domestic breeds, and many wild "bison" actually have a fair amount of cow DNA from earlier attempts to create commercially viable crossbreeds (some of which escaped into the wild). Several projects have tried to find pure bison and reintroduce them to lands formerly occupied by bison, like native tribal lands.

There is video somewhere on youtube of various trainers riding bison.

Maybe little bitty Bison/Scottish Highland cattle crosses would be suitable battleoxes for Dwarves.

(Dwarfs = Snow White... Dwarves = Middle Earth)

Go outside and play...

Ereinion Nénharma

Jan 30 2013, 8:13pm

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there are cattle breeds which are much faster that those you name. Especially breeds more closely related to the aurochs. But if you're looking for an Middle-Earth equivalent for a bison, I think a wisent would be a pretty good option? They are pretty badass. Although I myself like the idea of giant boars as dwarven mounts.

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''

Tol Eressea

Jan 30 2013, 10:01pm

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Looking up Aurochs, I find ...
Historical descriptions, like Caesar’s De Bello Gallico or Schneeberger, tell that aurochs were swift and fast, and could be very aggressive. According to Schneeberger, aurochs were not concerned when a man approached. But, teased or hunted, an aurochs could get very aggressive and dangerous, and throw the teasing person into the air, as he described in a 1602 letter to Gesner.

They are impressive looking, and far more athletic than our domestic cattle, bred for food.

As for piggies: I know a few potbellied pigs (rounding them up, I felt like Gandalf counting Dwarves: Nellie Ella Lily Stoney Phoebe Jenny and Bubbles Oakenshield...) two of these 100 pound pigs having a discussion is pretty scary. They are close to the earth and powerful. And have teeth.

Go outside and play...


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