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The Mitch King
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Jan 26 2013, 7:20pm
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How much more do you think we'll see him?? I know he is in the first two but i'm worried he won't be in action scenes. What kind of scenes do you think he will get and can PJ actually resist having the wizards all fight together? Oh and how much of his villainous side might we see in your opinions?
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Arandir
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Jan 26 2013, 7:23pm
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the advancements in technology, I don't see why we shouldn't get some Saruman in the action  . Using digital doubles and careful use of camera angles, I think it should be pretty do-able.
Considering the "villainous side", I don't think we'll see much of it as it is dealt mainly in LOTR. However, we might get some small hints here and there that he is changing. We've already seen his constant rejections at Gandalf's claims during the White Council - which just keeps on reinforcing the eventual change in nature.
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Jan 26 2013, 7:44pm
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I'm assuming he will play a part in action scenes
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John Bach (Madril in LOTR) is Saruman's body double in the films, so I'm guessing he will stand in during the action scenes for The Battle of Dol Guldur. In terms of his villainous nature, I've already stated in other posts that I felt that he came across as too evil in AUJ (Surely Galadriel's mind-reading would have seen through him), so I'm hoping this will be underplayed in the subsequent films.
However, I think that we may at some point discover that Saruman is actually searching for the Ring (Can't remember off the top of my head whether that's mentioned in the appendices, if it's mentioned elsewhere in Tolkien's guarded works then PJ obviously can't use it). At the least I would hope that it would make a nice EE scene.
Nevertheless, what I really hope to see (although possibly unlikely) is Saruman as the real hero in The Battle of Dol Guldur-We know that Gandalf may be knocked out of the battle and Galadriel carries him away, which would take her out of the action. I can't see Elrond saving the day, so maybe we'll finally be able to establish the fact that Saruman really was a good, noble being and that the positive traits of the good Curumo of Aule are still winning out (for now).
More likely however is that PJ will choose the Galadriel route, and have her cast down the walls of Dol Guldur at the climax of the battle (Which, I have to say, I would quite like to see even though it didn't happen at this point in time). Though it would still be disappointing if the limelight was taken away from old Sharkey. After all, Gandalf specifically states that Saruman's "devices" were instrumental in the Council's plans of confronting the Necromancer.
Sorry for the length of that, thanks to anyone who read all of it!
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jimmyfenn
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Jan 26 2013, 7:45pm
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i think well see some double crossing/reluctance to help from saruman, not him using any major power against sauron, makes sense
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Lightice
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Jan 26 2013, 8:04pm
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He has a body double? That's interesting news.
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John Bach (Madril in LOTR) is Saruman's body double in the films, so I'm guessing he will stand in during the action scenes for The Battle of Dol Guldur.
Though I thought it was clear that if he will play an action part it would be done with a body double, I hadn't heard any confirmation that he had one for The Hobbit. This is interesting to hear. But I still think that his role in the assault on Dol Guldur will mostly be supportive; I'm thinking something in the vein of summoning a rain to purge evil miasma surrounding the fortress or possessing orcs to attack each other.
In terms of his villainous nature, I've already stated in other posts that I felt that he came across as too evil in AUJ (Surely Galadriel's mind-reading would have seen through him), so I'm hoping this will be underplayed in the subsequent films.
I don't know about that. Saruman was portrayed a lot more mellow and benign than he appears in the White Council meeting described in The Unfinished Tales, where he is pretty much a sneering bastard all the way through. In AUJ he simply appears a bit full of himself and unwilling to admit that his reasoning might be flawed. I think that this is the extent of "evil" that we see with him in The Hobbit-films; he'll be often contrarian, slow to react and doubtful of Gandalf's discoveries, but his exact motivations for this behaviour will be left to the audience's imagination.
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deskp
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Jan 26 2013, 8:12pm
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Well they surely used a body double in the council scene when they shot him from the back, right?
Having a body double doesen't nessecarily mean a similar thing to "stuntman"
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totoro
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Jan 26 2013, 9:42pm
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When I saw the title of this thread...
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... I imagined Thorin yelling like Kirk did to KAAAAAHN. I suppose I should have imagined Gandalf doing it.
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Valandil ed Imladris
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Jan 26 2013, 10:02pm
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about 5 to 10 minutes in the next two films together
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with doubles and CGI, we might even see him in action.But I don't think so: Saruman is resistent and PJ and co want to show his change to an evil bastard.. So I guess we will see him in another white council Gandallf initiates because of his visit to Dol Guldur. Maybe some other villanious/Sauron-connection-stuff, but don't nail me to it.
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Boromir Stark
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Jan 26 2013, 10:30pm
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i think well see some double crossing/reluctance to help from saruman, not him using any major power against sauron, makes sense
in the battle of Dol Guldur.
Perhaps Radagast is rematching the Witch-King, and Saruman notices but chooses not to intervene, allowing Radagast to be killed.
This could explain why Gandalf has Radagast's staff in the LotR movies.
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The Mitch King
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Jan 26 2013, 10:38pm
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i think well see some double crossing/reluctance to help from saruman, not him using any major power against sauron, makes sense in the battle of Dol Guldur. Perhaps Radagast is rematching the Witch-King, and Saruman notices but chooses not to intervene, allowing Radagast to be killed. This could explain why Gandalf has Radagast's staff in the LotR movies.
Everyone would hate Saruman so bad after this!!! haha it would also work perfectly because we already know Saruman doesn't like him...man that would be emotionally perfect!
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Aragalen the Green
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Jan 26 2013, 11:28pm
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At least turn Radagast into a moth...
There it is: dwarves are not heroes, but calculating folk with a great idea of the value of money; some are tricky and treacherous and pretty bad lots; some are not, but are decent enough people like Thorin and Company, if you don't expect too much.
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sycorax82
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Jan 27 2013, 6:28pm
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Christopher Lee only shot for 2 days
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Though I hold out hope for as much Saruman as possible. Digital/body doubles and ADR from Christopher Lee were already used in the White Council scene, if you pay close attention...;)
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Rostron2
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Jan 28 2013, 4:05pm
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Actually, Lurtz did something like that already didn't he?
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