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Will Thráin be in the later films? He might be...


Jan 25 2013, 9:51pm

Post #1 of 6 (913 views)
Will Thráin be in the later films? He might be... Can't Post

We know that in AUJ, Gandalf must have obtained the key to the lonely mountain from Thráin under different circumstances to those in the book - in the film, Gandalf still didn't know about Dol Guldur and the necromancer at the time he got the key, so at that stage Thráin wouldn't have been a prisoner at Dol Guldur as he was in the book.

Nevertheless, I was under the impression that Thráin's capture and imprisonment still happened in the film universe because there were a number of hints pointing to it:

1). Balin mentions his mysterious disappearance early in the film.
2). It's implied that the orcs somehow know of Thorin's quest to reclaim Erebor at the warg scene earlier in the film.
3). Azog mentions to Thorin that his father reeked of fear at the climax of the film. This is strange as Azog never came into contact with Thráin in the battle at Moria - only Thror and Thorin.

So these three clues lead me to believe that Thráin was captured by Azog after giving the key to Gandalf, imprisoned in Dol Guldur and tortured into giving away that he gave the key to Gandalf. It is my belief that Gandalf will discover him in Dol Guldur's dungeons in one of the later films.


Jan 25 2013, 10:09pm

Post #2 of 6 (524 views)
Some further info [In reply to] Can't Post

Just discovered this: http://www.theonering.com/news/the-hobbit-movies/next-hobbit-film-will-have-more-story-depth

Interesting, however it cannot be implemented as a flashback as Gandalf didn't know about Dol Guldur before Radagast warned him. They'll likely implement it as occurring parallel to Bilbo & the dwarves' journey.


Jan 25 2013, 10:53pm

Post #3 of 6 (455 views)
Yes, he is [In reply to] Can't Post

Some interview had PJ or one of his team mentioning that Thrain will play a role in one of the later films. Someone here who's better at thread-diving can probably find that discussion.


Jan 25 2013, 11:15pm

Post #4 of 6 (447 views)
I watched an interview.... [In reply to] Can't Post

...where Peter Jackson said that they couldn't work Thrain's story into the first movie, and that it would be in the next one.


Jan 26 2013, 1:45am

Post #5 of 6 (377 views)
My thoughts exactly! [In reply to] Can't Post

This has crossed my mind as well, especially the possibility that Gandalf obtained the key and map from Thráin earlier as he apparently hasn't been to Dol Guldur yet.

In fact I made a post about this a while back, with evidence that Thráin was captured in/outside Moria: http://newboards.theonering.net/...orum.cgi?post=564244

Mine is a lot more rambling though. Crazy

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Jan 26 2013, 10:05pm

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I agree that it'll likely run parallel... [In reply to] Can't Post

and that at the moment, Thrain is still alive.

Doing it this way then means that when Gandalf returns to the company later and tells Thorin that his father has only recently passed in the dungeons of Dol Guldur, it will add to the tragic nosedive that Thorin's character takes later on in the story and make it more understandable.

It will also make the audience more sympathetic to Thorin (who in the book was somewhat unlikeable) and his later disintegration.


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