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In which Ro continues having thoughts

Roheryn
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Jan 24, 11:17pm


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I made it to viewing #11 last night (thanks to Mr. Ro for indulging me), and still have new musings and observations to share! It takes a pretty special movie for viewers to still be noticing and thinking about new things after 11 viewings, doesn’t it? (Either that or said viewer is just a bit slow on the uptake, and if you suggest that, c’mere and I’ll thwap you.)

(Apologies in advance for the length!)

So, here you go.

1. Radagast’s nose is listing to starboard. No particular significance there, but I remember reading that the prosthetics team subtly straightened RA’s nose. Radagast clearly got the opposite treatment!
2. The bird that tells Radagast about the Necromancer is an American robin (I’ve seen it pointed out elsewhere that it is a robin, but both the UK and New Zealand have unrelated species that are also called robins). Now, I find this American robin to be particularly out of place: they are native to North America, so not only are there none in the UK (and so should be none in Middle-earth), but there are none in NZ either (so no inspiration for them being in New Zealand-flavoured Middle-earth).
3. Azog’s white Warg, as has been noted elsewhere I think, is indeed female. The Warg that Kili shoots as per Thorin’s silent instruction (while the company hides below the rock that the Warg and its rider are on) is clearly male.
4. Something about the Wargs’ heads strikes me as catlike. I think it’s because they are so broad. Canids tend to have narrower ones.
5. As the company is winding their way through the narrow rock crevice heading in to Rivendell, Bofur is behind Bombur, and several times shoves him along. I couldn’t tell if it was because Bombur, fat Dwarf that he is, was getting stuck and Bofur was trying to unstick him, or if Bombur was getting distracted by something and wanting to stop to smell the roses, as it were; or maybe Bombur just wasn’t moving fast enough for Bofur? Ha! Need to see the movie again.
6. Thorin knows perfectly well where Gandalf is leading them by the time they’re brought to bay by the Wargs and Orcs on the plains, and knows exactly where the path leads once they’ve all escaped down into that little cave. He seems to be fuming about it but can’t do anything but follow Gandalf there. He’s certainly not going to tell Dwalin that they should follow the path, even though he knows they have no choice.
7. Saruman’s line at the White Council: (approximately) “…who calls himself a necromancer…”. Now this is interesting: what evidence is there that said being (?) “calls himself” such? Has someone actually spoken with him? Radagast surely didn’t hear that spooky shape holler out “I AM A NECROMANCER! MUAHAHAHA!”, did he?
8. During the lovely exchange between Bofur and Bilbo in the Goblins’ “front porch”, you can see flashes of light from lightning – clearly the storm is still raging outside, yet Bilbo is intending to head back to Rivendell anyways. Brave (or foolish?) Hobbit!
9. In the book, after Bilbo asks Gollum the egg riddle, Gollum takes a while to answer. Bilbo finally tells him, “The answer’s not a kettle boiling over, as you seem to think from the noise you are making.” Bilbo of course doesn’t say this in the movie, but the noise Gollum makes there in the movie as he’s thinking does sound, to me at least, just like Bilbo describes it in the book! Neat attention to detail. :-)
10. When they stop for the head-count after escaping Goblin-town, and discover Bilbo missing, Kili looks wildly around for Bilbo – but is looking at the ground, as if Bilbo might be a lost bag or package that someone dropped.
11. Through the “15 birds in 5 fir trees” sequence, there’s a moon shining behind clouds. Whenever I remembered to look for it (which was only when Thorin wasn’t on screen), I never could see the actual moon, just its light behind the clouds. Has anyone else managed to see the moon there or is it not shown at all? I ask because if we could see the phase, we could work out what time of night it is.
12. Another detail in the book that was followed perfectly: after Gandalf and company throw the pinecones into the Wargs and set things on fire, the book says, “The dwarves and Bilbo shouted and cheered.” That is EXACTLY what they do in the movie!
13. Just before we see Smaug’s nostril emerge from the mound of gold at the end, we can see a staircase in the background. There are large runes on the side of this staircase – about 8 or 10, maybe. I’m really curious as to what they say, but fear we’ll need a pause button to work them out! Mr. Ro, helpful soul that he is, said he knew what they said: “Watch your step.”
14. All the Dwarves have long hair done up in various ways. Only Thorin, Fili and Kili have theirs partially pulled back and held with some kind of silver-looking hair clip. From the back, ignoring colour, the hairstyles of those three look pretty similar. And does anyone else have occasional trouble telling apart Kili and Thorin when the action sequences get going fast? There’s clearly some family resemblance there. (Ha! Managed to work Thorin’s hair into this thread.)
15. Finally, this is where maybe I’m slow on the uptake. It just finally occurred to me last night what Fili and Kili are up to with Bilbo just before the trolls. When Kili says “It’s perfectly safe! We’ll be right behind you,” he says it with the same mock-innocence with which he delivered his lines earlier about the noises Bilbo had heard coming from heaps of bloodthirsty Orcs. He and Fili are just having Bilbo on there and are hoping for a bit of entertainment. Hence them disappearing the second Bilbo steps forward muttering about owls. Fili and Kili are probably in the bushes, sniggering the whole time at Bilbo dodging trolls and trying to rescue ponies, while they enjoy their stew. That explains why, as soon as there’s trouble, Kili immediately pops out of the bushes with all the bravado of youth to rescue Bilbo; Fili shows up a minute later because he has (much more sensibly) run back to enlist the help of the others. I wonder if they ever had to own up to Thorin that it was their idea to send Bilbo in to the trolls? That ought at least to elicit another scornful “You know nothing of the world!”.

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In which Ro continues having thoughts Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 24, 11:17pm
    Shouldn't it be entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 24, 11:50pm
        Ah, well... Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 25, 9:28am
    I'm sure it's a typo but... EyeRock Send a private message to EyeRock Jan 24, 11:57pm
        Right! Typo... ;-) Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 25, 9:35am
    Will you be seeing it again? :) Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Jan 24, 11:57pm
        Now that I have the internet, and to satisfy my geeky curiousity... Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Jan 25, 12:13am
        Oooh, yes... Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 25, 9:44am
    A funny man, your Mr! Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jan 25, 12:04am
        He tries! :-) Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 25, 9:32am
    Since we're going to talk about Thorin's hair... Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 25, 1:34am
        hair clips/ similar styles florian Send a private message to florian Jan 25, 1:49am
            So the takeaway is the dwarves with the fanciest hair had moms who groomed them. Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 25, 2:04am
                actually ryouko Send a private message to ryouko Jan 25, 2:38am
                And the dwarves groomed by uncles... Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 25, 9:55am
            Hmm the Companion book has some Thorin info? Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jan 25, 5:24am
        I so want a replica of the hair clip! Kirly Send a private message to Kirly Jan 25, 3:35am
            Ha! You needed to be on the Estrogen Island thread a few weeks ago. Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 25, 4:00am
            Erm...:) marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Jan 25, 4:30am
                Kili the Kid swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 25, 5:34am
                yes, you are correct that I meant Kili. Thx // Kirly Send a private message to Kirly Jan 25, 5:46pm
            male eye candy... swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 25, 5:32am
                Scruffy men Angharad73 Send a private message to Angharad73 Jan 25, 11:34am
                    I know what I like... bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 25, 3:21pm
                    When we're talking about Hair of LotR... Lily Fairbairn Send a private message to Lily Fairbairn Jan 25, 3:49pm
                        Oh dear... Angharad73 Send a private message to Angharad73 Jan 25, 3:56pm
                        Never mind! Alcarcalime Send a private message to Alcarcalime Jan 25, 5:07pm
                            We've developed excellent taste over the years, right? // Lily Fairbairn Send a private message to Lily Fairbairn Jan 25, 5:34pm
                            the year... swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 25, 8:01pm
                                old??? malla Send a private message to malla Jan 25, 8:56pm
                                Ha! Alcarcalime Send a private message to Alcarcalime Jan 25, 10:29pm
                            It's all good for me marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Jan 26, 12:40am
                        Eomer's hair is nice Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 25, 5:44pm
                    why do I think.... swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 25, 7:51pm
                        ...because he is? Angharad73 Send a private message to Angharad73 Jan 25, 8:00pm
            Me too! Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 25, 10:18am
                On hair hijacking and Thorinitis in general Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jan 25, 3:49pm
                Gollum's hair is very pretty Starling Send a private message to Starling Jan 25, 8:02pm
                    But notice that his hair thinned out after a really bad perm... / Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jan 25, 8:11pm
            I have thoroughly enjoyed.... Kirly Send a private message to Kirly Jan 25, 5:56pm
    Hmm.... marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Jan 25, 1:49am
        OMG! Fili and Kili are boy toys! Kirly Send a private message to Kirly Jan 25, 3:38am
            words...taken...right... from my mouth... swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 25, 5:26am
                Oh that's a good one! Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jan 25, 5:29am
                    Bofur is fantastic! Kirly Send a private message to Kirly Jan 25, 10:30pm
        There's more dwarves in that scene? Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 25, 10:00am
            LOL marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Jan 25, 1:44pm
    11 times? Ziggy Stardust Send a private message to Ziggy Stardust Jan 25, 1:50am
    Smaug's nostril? dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jan 25, 1:53am
        I thought it was his nostril, too Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 25, 2:00am
            It is his nostril Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jan 25, 3:54am
        No, it's definitely his nostril Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jan 25, 5:08am
            nostril... malla Send a private message to malla Jan 25, 8:41pm
    Warg's heads Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Jan 25, 2:10am
    More thoughts...(Thorin's hair :) Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Jan 25, 2:25am
        from the colonies... swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 25, 5:21am
            Colonies indeed! Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Jan 25, 5:25am
            yeah....it's the riders foot malla Send a private message to malla Jan 25, 8:19pm
            smacking myself on the forehead..... malla Send a private message to malla Jan 25, 8:37pm
        So are you suggesting I can't tell the difference between feet and... Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 25, 10:05am
    thots... swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 25, 5:19am
        Totally disagree on the Wargs. While it might have been better to have them more grey or black, predominantly, they DEFINITELY had a wolvish look to them AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 25, 6:27am
            I must return to LOTR and eyeball those wargs again... swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 25, 6:41am
            Shape of head etc imin Send a private message to imin Jan 25, 10:08am
                LOL! Alassëa Eruvande Send a private message to Alassëa Eruvande Jan 25, 4:57pm
    Congrats on viewing 11, better make it a dozen... Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 25, 8:07am
    Adding one more thought... dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jan 25, 11:21am
        Yes they do! Elvanui Send a private message to Elvanui Jan 25, 11:57am
        *hyperventilates* Alassëa Eruvande Send a private message to Alassëa Eruvande Jan 25, 4:50pm
            Can't say I disagree with him on this one. Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 25, 5:50pm
                true... swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 25, 8:02pm
            How can Thorin stand that hair in his face? Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 25, 6:25pm
            Wet Hair The Grey Elf Send a private message to The Grey Elf Jan 25, 6:56pm
            aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 25, 7:59pm
    Robin! Alcarcalime Send a private message to Alcarcalime Jan 25, 11:35am
        The Robin is Michigan's State Bird grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Jan 31, 6:15pm
    RE Retro315 Send a private message to Retro315 Jan 25, 1:56pm
        Why chronological? arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jan 25, 4:18pm
        tiiiiiiiiiiiiime streeeeeeeetch swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 25, 7:55pm
    11 times....!!? andwise Jan 25, 3:55pm
    Moving Bombur along Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jan 25, 4:49pm
    Is there a photo of the hair clip? Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 25, 5:48pm
        clips Kirly Send a private message to Kirly Jan 25, 5:58pm
            These are different from the braid ties, right? Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 25, 6:22pm
                Yup. Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 25, 7:20pm
                    Ah, was that something younger Thorin wore in the prologue? Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 25, 7:24pm
                        Can't remember...maybe? Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 25, 7:47pm
            Hair clips marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Jan 26, 12:42am
                Aha! Thank you. Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 26, 12:56am
        To quote the esteemed Ataahua: Alassëa Eruvande Send a private message to Alassëa Eruvande Jan 25, 6:02pm
            You're asking for pictures of Thorin, I hope. Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 25, 6:27pm
                Yours, silly. Alassëa Eruvande Send a private message to Alassëa Eruvande Jan 25, 6:50pm
                    I can't believe I'm doing this... Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 25, 7:17pm
                        cool! swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 25, 8:05pm
                        Woohoo! There you go! Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jan 25, 8:10pm
                            Practical, yes... Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 26, 1:02am
                                I think it would. arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jan 26, 7:03am
                                    Thanks. Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 26, 4:04pm
                        all you need now... MistyMountain Send a private message to MistyMountain Jan 25, 9:37pm
                        Woo Hoo! Alassëa Eruvande Send a private message to Alassëa Eruvande Jan 25, 11:19pm
                        Are you in NZ? Kirly Send a private message to Kirly Jan 26, 2:35am
                            It's Maine, actually. Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 26, 3:25am
                                really??? compare... Kirly Send a private message to Kirly Jan 26, 4:20am
                                    or this one Kirly Send a private message to Kirly Jan 26, 4:22am
                                        Hey Kirly, I see you have changed the spelling of Tekapo Starling Send a private message to Starling Jan 26, 9:25am
                                            Yep another nice person messages me Kirly Send a private message to Kirly Jan 26, 5:00pm
                                    Definitely Maine. Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 26, 4:23am
                don't be shy MistyMountain Send a private message to MistyMountain Jan 25, 6:55pm
                    Actually RA rather enjoyed the long hair Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jan 26, 5:04am
            *snort* ;) / Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jan 25, 8:08pm
    Awesome Ro!! :D I'll have a few of my own to add grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Jan 25, 6:07pm
    Keep thinking The Prancing Pony Send a private message to The Prancing Pony Jan 25, 7:35pm
        Plans change..... Brethil Send a private message to Brethil Jan 25, 8:54pm
    Snowy Lonely Mt. as the thrush approaches. oncefaster Send a private message to oncefaster Jan 26, 10:31pm
    AFTER VIEWING #35 ! malla Send a private message to malla Jan 29, 12:54am
        Maybe on #36 you should open your eyes Rolfina Send a private message to Rolfina Jan 30, 10:23am
            guess I've been too busy...... malla Send a private message to malla Jan 30, 2:37pm
                I used to have a set of curtains grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Feb 5, 1:20am
    **I've Gathered Geeky List Info from this post :) THANKS ALL! grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Feb 5, 1:37am
    **double checked** THANKS! // grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Mar 18, 9:24pm

 
 
 

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