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Thrain's key

Radagast's Lead Bunny

Jan 24 2013, 12:48pm

Post #1 of 9 (831 views)
Thrain's key Can't Post

How come Gandalf managed to get Thrain's key in Dol Guldur ? How was Thrain able to hide it from the Necromancer ?


Jan 24 2013, 1:08pm

Post #2 of 9 (429 views)
Would the Necromancer want the key? [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe the Necromancer was not looking for the key. He took the ring off Thrain, didn't he? But something like a key had nothing to do with him, and what he desired so it may have escaped his notice or he simply wasn't interested in it.

Now, this might be explained somewhere in the books, but I cannot remember it. Maybe in the next movie we will get to see Gandalf's meeting with Thrain, when Gandalf got the key, and there will be some sort of explanation then? Would be interesting.


Jan 24 2013, 1:46pm

Post #3 of 9 (407 views)
Use your imagination [In reply to] Can't Post

How do prisoners normally hide things on their person? Crazy

The Shire

Jan 24 2013, 4:02pm

Post #4 of 9 (327 views)
oh dear [In reply to] Can't Post



Jan 24 2013, 4:15pm

Post #5 of 9 (311 views)
Ouch! [In reply to] Can't Post

The key's a bit LARGE for that, don't you think?


Jan 24 2013, 5:41pm

Post #6 of 9 (293 views)
The Necromancer [In reply to] Can't Post

Has vapor hands...he wouldn't want a key he couldn't hold. It's really annoying to only be able to pick up magic rings, and every time he takes a drink of chamomile tea it just runs out all over the floor, too.

On the serious side...He was probably more interested in the Ring Thrain would have had, so he could add it to his collection, and recharge his batteries a little.


Jan 25 2013, 1:32pm

Post #7 of 9 (124 views)
we dont need to worry.... [In reply to] Can't Post

Proffesor Tolkien decided that thrain should give the key to gandalf in dol guldur so I reckon we just accept it,not even the strictest of Tolkien scholars can question this Wink

(This post was edited by andwise on Jan 25 2013, 1:33pm)


Jan 25 2013, 1:56pm

Post #8 of 9 (114 views)
That is a funny thing anyway... [In reply to] Can't Post

... when some self-proclaimed "purists" (how I hate that word) are confronted with plot-holes or maybe "not-so-strong-passages" by the Professor (not saying that this key thing is a plot-hole, I am speaking generally). ;)


Jan 25 2013, 3:54pm

Post #9 of 9 (130 views)
Don't forget the map... [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To
How come Gandalf managed to get Thrain's key in Dol Guldur ? How was Thrain able to hide it from the Necromancer ?

It's pretty easy (if uncomfortable) to imagine how Thrain hid the key. I think the better question is how he concealed the map. It was written on parchment and I doubt that he was able to hide it in an orifice. More likely that it was tightly folded and sewn into a piece of clothing. Perhaps it was later transferred to a crevice within Thrain's cell (along with the key).

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


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