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A quick thought on children of Ainur

Lost_istari
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Jan 24 2013, 6:46am


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A bit off of of the Bombadil topic, but this got me thinking... We know that Tolkien originally wanted to make the Valar capable of having children within their respective partnerships (the children would have been the Maiar) but decided against it. Essentially only Iluvatar ond the Children of Iluvatar had access to "The Secret Fire" (or the power of the creation of life). This is why Melkor was never able to create life but only to corrupt life forms created by Iluvatar. This also prevented any other of the Ainur from creating life without the involvement of Iluvatar or the Children of Iluvatar (Iluvatar gave life to Aule's dwarves, and Melian had a child because her partner was a child of Iluvatar).

Bringing this back to topic, it is possible that "The River Woman" was really just a human woman, and her father was one of the Maiar(maybe one with an association with water, in keeping with the theory), thus giving her the long life that I assume she had (I can't remember if the book mentions her age) and the spirit-like qualities that she had. Or perhaps the othe way around with the mother being a water associated Maiar and the father being either a man or elf (or maybe even a hobbit given the proximity and depending on the timelineTongue).

Anyway, just food for thought since CuriousG's obvservations got me thinking. I like to think Tolkien knew exactly whay he was doing, and even if he started out adding Bombadil and Goldberry in simply because he liked their characters, he would have some backstory to fit them in at some point. I would certainly put Vader in my Smurf world too, but I would probably invent some sort of black hole that plucked him from wherever he was and deposited him in the Smurf world. Maybe I'm too much of a stickler for continuity and clear origins though.

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Tom Bombadil As the Spirit of the Music of the Ainur rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Jan 17 2013, 4:27pm
    Thanks for this! Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Jan 17 2013, 8:57pm
    Great Theory Lost_istari Send a private message to Lost_istari Jan 18 2013, 7:56pm
        Thank you much rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Jan 22 2013, 2:07pm
        Agreed CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 23 2013, 5:53pm
            A quick thought on children of Ainur Lost_istari Send a private message to Lost_istari Jan 24 2013, 6:46am
    Excellent theory! FlyingSerkis Send a private message to FlyingSerkis Jan 23 2013, 9:13pm
        Thank You rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Jan 23 2013, 9:33pm
    Regarding Bombadil's boundedness Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Jan 28 2013, 5:59am
    I Know Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Jan 30 2013, 8:38pm
    "None has yet defined him, for Tom is an enigma" squire Send a private message to squire Jan 31 2013, 1:27am
        Great poem/ CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jan 31 2013, 1:34am
        Great Poem Indeed rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Jan 31 2013, 2:29am
            It is certainly a great topic to debate squire Send a private message to squire Feb 1 2013, 3:14am
                a "most" dangerous discussion rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Feb 1 2013, 3:32pm
                    ATB was published after LOTR. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Feb 1 2013, 5:55pm
                        yes yes it was rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Feb 1 2013, 6:14pm
                        thats where the confusion came from rangerfromthenorth Send a private message to rangerfromthenorth Feb 1 2013, 6:22pm
                            Tolkien did alter the poem for its 1962 re-publication. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Feb 1 2013, 7:51pm
                    Very nicely stated squire Send a private message to squire Feb 1 2013, 8:38pm
    This may interest you. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Feb 1 2013, 5:46am

 
 
 

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