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The Goblin Scribe (possible geeky observation)
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AlassŽa Eruvande
Valinor


Jan 20 2013, 8:04pm

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One of The Little Eruvandes' (ages 6 and 11) favorite characters in AUJ is that scrawny little goblin scribe. They like his look, they like his contraption, and they think it's funny that the goblins can write. Well, at least one goblin can write.

The thing that makes them laugh the most, though, is that funny little sack-thing hanging under his swing. It's pictured on page 182 of the Weta Chronicles. Here is a picture of a model I found on the web.

After much thought and discussion around the dinner table (Shocked), (well, okay, really, after shoving our faces full of popcorn at the movies) we have concluded that the little sack-thing under his swing is a "poop-catcher". Yes, like carriage horses use.

Is that what it is? Are goblins really that concerned about what falls from the swing of the scribe? The Weta Chronicle didn't say anything about it, but one of the drawings shows a canister containing his "pencils" and he seems to have ample parchment hanging off his "clipboard". So I don't think it is for supplies.

What do you think it is?



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Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Jan 20 2013, 8:06pm

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I noticed the little scribe's feet seemed deformed and useless, so he may never leave his little cage. Therefore a "poop-catcher" would be quite useful.

Very observant! It is interesting what children will catch onto. My daughter LOVES the Stone-giants, it's her favorite part of the movie. She doesn't understand why people wouldn't like it :) And her favorite character is Radagast! When I asked her why, she said she loves his "charm and personality".

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Carne
Tol Eressea

Jan 20 2013, 8:08pm

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I think it's a rock [In reply to] Can't Post

To compensate for his weight. Easier to swing the crane around that way.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jan 20 2013, 8:20pm

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"Poop-catcher" - i like it. :) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Jan 20 2013, 8:26pm

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I find it interesting that the creepy scary ooky characters are enjoyed by kids. Perhaps that's one of the things faerie tales do well, take the scary stuff and inject enough humor, and courageous heroes, into it to make the scary overcomeable...

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AlassŽa Eruvande
Valinor


Jan 20 2013, 8:30pm

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They're still a little freaked out by Gollum. [In reply to] Can't Post

But I think seeing his more child-like side in the Riddles-In-The-Dark scenes does make him less scary. He likes games, too! Smile



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ceppault
Bree


Jan 20 2013, 9:36pm

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I would not think goblins were picky [In reply to] Can't Post

... about where they did their business. I do like the concept.

The Scribe may well be the lad who fetches the chamber pot for the Goblin King. Budget cuts in Goblin Town may have necessitated such cost savings measures. Turning the Company of Dwarves over to the Orcs would have been a significant help for the fiscal year, I suspect. Yet being being the chamber pot fetching-lad for the king? Thats distressing on several levels.

Anyhoo. Got carried away. Kuddos to the Eruvande Kiddos. Excellent diversion from the usual.

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Magpie
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Jan 20 2013, 9:43pm

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it's worth noting for those who might not have noticed... [In reply to] Can't Post

that the Goblin Scribe was 'played' by Kiran Shah who was Elijah's stunt double in LOTR.

I couldn't remember if the Scribe had any lines? There can't have been many. And I would have thought it would be an easy character to make without motion capture. But I caught Kiran's name in the credit scroll the first time I saw it.


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ryouko
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Jan 20 2013, 9:47pm

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That's what I thought it was. So that he'd go down the rope quicker and not get stuck somewhere.

But I like your idea better!! Laugh


TheSexyBeard
Lorien

Jan 20 2013, 10:11pm

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After much thought and discussion around the dinner table (Shocked), (well, okay, really, after shoving our faces full of popcorn at the movies) we have concluded that the little sack-thing under his swing is a "poop-catcher". Yes, like carriage horses use.






According to Games-Workshop (who made the model) you right! They say it's a old helmet that is being used as a catcher. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case, they have a fairly close relationship with Weta and often head over to their studios so they know they can talk to the team and even the cast sometimes.

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Carne
Tol Eressea

Jan 20 2013, 10:15pm

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They filmed some stuff with him and Grinnah, so hopefully it will be in the extended cut.

The Scribe was originally Kiran in a suit with an animatronic head, but as with the rest of the goblins they ended up being covered over with CGI.


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Magpie
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Jan 20 2013, 10:17pm

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Arthael
Lorien


Jan 20 2013, 11:39pm

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He's this generations Salacious Crumb! [In reply to] Can't Post

He gives me a laugh every time I see the movie. Never noticed the poop catcher, but that's a funny idea!

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Elessar
Valinor


Jan 20 2013, 11:57pm

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I hope it Weta does a special EE gift set we get a little scribe statue with it. I'd love it Cool



SirDennisC
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Jan 21 2013, 12:26am

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Its function numbers 2. [In reply to] Can't Post

Honestly I didn't notice it but I did notice his shrivelled legs; I assumed he was in that chair all the time. So it makes sense that it would be what you think it is, and when full it probably functions as ballast as Carne suggested.

Or perhaps it's like an under (baby) carriage storage place for this and that... whatever things scribes might need to carry, and diapers, sou-sous and stuff.

Great question!


Loresilme
Valinor


Jan 21 2013, 12:32am

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Is Grinnah the character that says [In reply to] Can't Post

"Dwarves, Your Malevolence!"


I don't know who voiced that character, but I loved the delivery of that line, particularly on the word "malevolence" Sly.


Carne
Tol Eressea

Jan 21 2013, 12:39am

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Yes, that's him! [In reply to] Can't Post

Loved his voice and was hoping for more lines. Played by Stephen Ure.


stoutfiles
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Jan 21 2013, 12:40am

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That's exactly what I thought of when I saw him...


Loresilme
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Jan 21 2013, 12:44am

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I'm hoping for more lines too - it was really distinctive!





Nira
Lorien


Jan 21 2013, 12:45am

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Love the goblin scribe! [In reply to] Can't Post

I wondered why he had a basket under him. I thought it might be a little storage bin; I like everyone else's ideas better.

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Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Jan 21 2013, 12:49am

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was the maniacal little cackle he gives sliding down the zipline away from the Great Goblin.

There it is: dwarves are not heroes, but calculating folk with a great idea of the value of money; some are tricky and treacherous and pretty bad lots; some are not, but are decent enough people like Thorin and Company, if you don't expect too much.


Lio
Lorien


Jan 21 2013, 12:55am

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And Grinnah too? Oh, I hope they put that in! I loved the nasty lovable little monsters and I want to see more of them in the movie. Laugh

And, hmm, I wonder if we'll see the Goblin Scribe or someone delivering the message to Azog? I do wonder how that played out!

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Tol Eressea


Jan 21 2013, 2:35am

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I chuckle at that scene every time. [In reply to] Can't Post

He's so devious and charming at the same time.

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Jan 21 2013, 2:40am

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the poop! Laugh


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Alerik
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Jan 21 2013, 7:48am

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Every time I see that crackle and the expression [In reply to] Can't Post

that accompanies it I think it looks a lot like the baby in Braindead (Dead Alive). Perhaps the scribe is inspired by that baby just like Gothmog (ROTK) was inspired by the aliens in Bad Taste. At least that is what I read somewhere.

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