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What date was Smaug killed?

peleowyn
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Jan 19 2013, 11:25pm

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Hello, friends at TORN! I am trying to find out on what date Smaug was killed (ie - Jan ___ ? Feb ___ ? ...) - can anyone help me? Thank you so much for your help! I know Gramma made an awesome calendar of Tolkien events, and I can't seem to find it ...

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ryouko
Lorien

Jan 20 2013, 12:37am

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ooh...lets see.... [In reply to] Can't Post

By the Shire Calendar(I believe) the date shows Oct 25, 1973

By the regular Calendar the date should be the same, but the year would be 2941.

This is what I found by checking Google. If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone else will give you the correct answer. ^_^


peleowyn
Rivendell


Jan 20 2013, 12:43am

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Thank you so much for your help, ryouko -- that is very helpful! All the best to you!

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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 20 2013, 1:53pm

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And if you really want to complicate it... [In reply to] Can't Post

The Karen Wyn Fonstad's book that had a chronological breakdown of Bilbo's Quest has Smaug's death on November 1, 2941 (S.R. 1341). I use the dates from the online site she collaborated with called the Eowyn Challenge that has a breakdown of LotR's & Hobbit's Quest Charts and Mileage (when there's nothing in RotK's Appendix B) for my Today in Middle-earth (TIME) posts, but I use our everyday (Gregorian) calendar. There's a difference between the Shire and Gregorian calendar because the Shire Calendar has 30 days each month.

:)




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Magpie
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Jan 20 2013, 2:51pm

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gramma, if you can figure out how to link people to your google TiMe calendar... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'd appreciate it if you could carry the link in your footer.

When they had it on the front page, I tried to access it a number of times so I could look up a date quickly. But I could only figure out how to access that day's entries.

Now they took it off the front page entirely (I have to wonder if they know how long the three of us.. mostly you... worked on creating that thing!).


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squire
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Jan 20 2013, 3:48pm

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Complicate? I'll give you complicate [In reply to] Can't Post

From the LotR Appendix E:
It appears, however, that Mid-year's Day was intended to correspond as nearly as possible to the summer solstice. In that case the Shire dates were actually in advance of ours by some ten days, and our New Year's Day corresponded more or less to the Shire January 9.
I focused on this in an old RR discussion. Whenever a fan wants to associate Tolkien's calendrical system with the dates we live by today, he or she would do well to consider the above note by Tolkien. All our dates, across the year, are 9 or 10 days ahead of the Middle-earth dates that are given in English as if they were the same. As he puts it, January 9 in the Shire is really January 1 for us.

Thus, if we say that Smaug was killed on October 25, 2941 T.A. within the story, that date should be thought of as being about October 15 in our own time. (I say "about", because the adjustment depends on the various solstices and equinoxes throughout the year, and I don't know the exact calculations required for any given date.) November 1 would translate to around October 22, likewise.



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peleowyn
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Jan 20 2013, 4:25pm

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Thank you so much, Gramma! [In reply to] Can't Post

...that is wonderful! And thank you for the link to the calendar you, Magpie and others helped with! I am so excited to put that on my iCal ... Thank you & Magpie for your wonderful help! Happy weekend! :)

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peleowyn
Rivendell


Jan 20 2013, 4:40pm

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That does complicate matters! :) [In reply to] Can't Post

... good thing we're not having to juggle the Julian calendar as well! :)

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grammaboodawg
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Jan 20 2013, 7:29pm

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OW!! [In reply to] Can't Post

I think I just threw out my frontal lobe!

*runs for cover*



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grammaboodawg
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Jan 20 2013, 7:36pm

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You got it :) [In reply to] Can't Post

I've just permanently loaded it into my footer :)

*snigger* After nearly 13 years in the making, I guess it deserves a spot there :D

Cheers, m'dear!!



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Ataahua
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Jan 20 2013, 8:28pm

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Aww, he died on my birthday. [In reply to] Can't Post


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Thus, if we say that Smaug was killed on October 25, 2941 T.A. within the story, that date should be thought of as being about October 15 in our own time.



What a sweet gift for a girl. Heart

(Not in the same year, though. I'm not that old.)

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"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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peleowyn
Rivendell


Jan 21 2013, 12:55am

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Another reason to celebrate that day! :) [In reply to] Can't Post

:) And all of Laketown will celebrate the day with you each year ! What fun!

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grammaboodawg
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Jan 21 2013, 1:53am

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So from now on [In reply to] Can't Post

you should have fried chicken for your birthday dinner :D



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Otaku-sempai
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Jan 21 2013, 5:03am

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DUrin's Day +1 [In reply to] Can't Post

Since Tolkien didn't provide an exact date, the best we can say is that Smaug is killed in the evening of the second day of the Dwarves' new year. The Dwarven New Year fell on the first day of the last new crescent moon of Autumn. Durin's Day was a Dwarven New Year's day when both the sun and moon shone in the sky at the same time.

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peleowyn
Rivendell


Jan 21 2013, 6:58am

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oh! Ugh! [In reply to] Can't Post

:) That was a good one!! :)

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peleowyn
Rivendell


Jan 21 2013, 7:00am

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Cool! [In reply to] Can't Post

That is so interesting - I wonder if PJ will include that beautiful detail in that part of the Hobbit movie!

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grammaboodawg
Immortal


Jan 21 2013, 10:06am

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Perfect! And so true :D // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



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Rostron2
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Jan 23 2013, 12:18am

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There was more than one shooter that took down Smaug. We'll have to watch the background when Bard looses the arrow.

 
 

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