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Yet more musings and observations

Roheryn
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Jan 18 2013, 2:43am


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Okay, so here's some more things I've noticed or am musing on after viewing #10. Thoughts, comments, or funny noises appreciated!


1. As Bilbo asks Kili to stop wiping his boots on his mother’s glory box, we can see in the background Fili pulling knives out of a large variety of places as he hands his weapons over to Bilbo. Dwalin and Kili have only handed Bilbo a few things each, but Fili hands over one, then another and another and another…Bilbo ends up with a huge armful (which we see clearly a moment later, but I'd never seen where they all came from!) I’ve always been too busy watching Kili’s total lack of respect to notice what Fili was doing!
2. Sebastian the hedgehog is rendered surprisingly realistically, even down to a very nice belly button.
3. I’ve noticed before during the troll fighting that Ori uses his slingshot to thwack a troll in the eye – but I hadn’t noticed why: it’s because that troll had just scooped up Nori. Ori to the rescue! And it works: the troll drops Nori.
4. Also during the troll fight, Dwalin does what looks like an impressive move, sliding under and past a troll or two as he goes; he ends up laying on the ground. (This is a little bit after Kili has performed a similar slide.) In the next split second, Thorin uses Dwalin’s back as a springboard to leap up onto a troll and attack it around its shoulders/head. Perhaps a nice example of Thorin one-upping Dwalin!
5. I believe Thorin commands every Dwarf in the company at least once, except Bifur, Dori and Ori. I doubt there’s any particular significance here, but it’s vaguely interesting. Kili is the only one he commands when they’re under attack.
a. Fili & Kili: Look after the ponies.
b. Kili: Shoot them! Run! And the silent instruction to shoot the Warg and Orc.
c. Oin & Gloin: Get a fire going.
d. Bombur: Come on, we’re hungry.
e. Balin: Sound the alarm.
f. Bofur, Gloin, Nori: (Implied: Follow me out of the troll cave).
g. Dwalin: (Implied: Follow me into the mountain cave and search it).
6. Why is Saruman at Rivendell? Did he show up only after Gandalf et al. had arrived? Why did he call the meeting of the White Council right then?
7. And, if the whole Rivendell scene takes place during a single day/night/following dawn (as opposed to a couple of weeks), how could Gandalf have thought Elrond had sent for Galadriel? I.e., Gandalf’s words “I had no idea Lord Elrond sent for you” suggest that Elrond had the capacity to send for her, and she had the capacity to arrive, all within about a 12-hour period. (Aha! Galadriel can indeed teleport herself!)
8. Thorin is really hurt by Bofur’s comment in the cave to Bilbo that “You’re right; we don’t have a home.” This is what he wants to fix for his people, and the fact that he hasn’t done so yet really burns within him. He may be fit to be a king in the eyes of his people (Balin says as much), but until he’s reclaimed their lost home, he’ll never be fit to be a king in his own eyes.
9. Does Dwalin take a couple of swipes at the Eagles as the Eagles swoop around scattering Orcs and Wargs?
10. Dwalin uses his warhammer as a leaning post pretty much every time he’s standing still.
11. Dwalin has a familiarity with Thorin that none of the others have (except maybe Balin). Yes, Kili’s close to Thorin but he’s still deferential, but Dwalin isn’t. Dwalin also knows where Thorin has been before Bag End and no one else seems to. Dwalin's the other one (besides Kili) who's almost always next to Thorin, especially when they're fighting.
12. Fili does a double-take when he hears Kili tell Bilbo that the noise he just heard is Orcs. You can just make out Thorin rolling his eyes and shaking his head in exasperation at Kili for teasing Bilbo so.
13. Thorin apparently doesn’t understand Elvish (he doesn’t seem to know Elrond just offered them food). I’m guessing he doesn’t understand Orcish either, and his response to Azog’s taunts near the end isn’t based on the content of what Azog says, but just on Azog’s existence and generalized nastiness.
14. Both Thorin and Dwalin are reasonably likely to punch their attackers when fighting at close range.
15. Why oh why must the Goblin King have nipples?
16. One of the trolls -- sorry, I don't have their names straight yet, but it's not the cook nor the snotty-nosed one -- is cleaning his fingernails (or trimming them?) with a large knife while the cooking is going on. Somehow it's funny that trolls would worry about such things.

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Yet more musings and observations Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 18 2013, 2:43am
    Regarding #13 SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jan 18 2013, 2:57am
        Not Khuzdul Gelir Send a private message to Gelir Jan 18 2013, 3:12am
        Oh, was he? Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 18 2013, 3:35am
            It sounded more gutteral and hard SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jan 18 2013, 3:47am
                Elvish, I think Gelir Send a private message to Gelir Jan 18 2013, 3:56am
                    You probably have a better ear for it than I. SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jan 18 2013, 4:56am
    More things to look for tomorrow~!! ryouko Send a private message to ryouko Jan 18 2013, 3:15am
        eagle talons swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 18 2013, 4:11am
            boo boos malla Send a private message to malla Jan 24 2013, 2:04am
    Wow Roheryn! Outstanding observations! Ruxendil_Thoorg Send a private message to Ruxendil_Thoorg Jan 18 2013, 3:20am
        Thanks, R_T. :-) Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 18 2013, 9:49am
    Timing Gelir Send a private message to Gelir Jan 18 2013, 3:21am
        Speaking of which, I've been wondering: did Bofur Ruxendil_Thoorg Send a private message to Ruxendil_Thoorg Jan 18 2013, 3:27am
            Yes he did Gelir Send a private message to Gelir Jan 18 2013, 3:39am
            first watch swordwhale Send a private message to swordwhale Jan 18 2013, 4:16am
            yes, i though Bofur seemed less than pleased at that moment. // Kirly Send a private message to Kirly Jan 19 2013, 2:38am
    I'm only just back from #5, Tintallë Send a private message to Tintallë Jan 18 2013, 3:25am
        and I kind of assumed Galadriel knew everything from her mirror Tintallë Send a private message to Tintallë Jan 18 2013, 3:29am
    #11 bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 18 2013, 4:34am
        I haven't read many Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 18 2013, 7:55am
            Interview link bborchar Send a private message to bborchar Jan 18 2013, 1:24pm
    Thorin and Elvish Súlimë Send a private message to Súlimë Jan 18 2013, 4:43am
    #8... weaver Send a private message to weaver Jan 18 2013, 5:45am
        I think that's exactly right. Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 18 2013, 8:26am
            Thorin and Bilbo arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jan 18 2013, 1:48pm
        Spot on! // Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Jan 18 2013, 5:30pm
        One more thing Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Jan 18 2013, 5:48pm
    #5 The Prancing Pony Send a private message to The Prancing Pony Jan 18 2013, 8:30am
        Ah, yes, I'd forgotten! Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 18 2013, 9:12am
    It's Elvish - Elvanui Send a private message to Elvanui Jan 18 2013, 3:08pm
        Ah yes, that transcript is most helpful: SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Jan 18 2013, 6:40pm
            Thanks! arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Jan 18 2013, 6:44pm
    **I've Gathered Geeky List Info from this post :) THANKS ALL! // grammaboodawg Send a private message to grammaboodawg Jan 18 2013, 6:11pm

 
 
 

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