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Roheryn
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Jan 17, 5:34pm
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Difference between soundtrack and movie for the Thorin-strides-through-flaming-trees sequence
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(aka, Ro's been thinking again...)
Not necessarily the most pressing issue around here, but I think I've figured out why the music in the big Thorin versus Azog showdown at the end differs between the soundtrack and the movie. This seems blindingly obvious to me now (and maybe someone else has already figured it out), though I'm sure some will disagree!
Originally, The Hobbit was supposed to be two movies, and it was fairly late in the game (June or July 2012 wasn't it?) that PJ switched it to three. The original AUJ when it was the first of two movies was supposed to end just after Barrels out of Bond, right? Therefore, the "15 birds in five fir trees" scene was NOT the end of the first movie. Thus, whatever was going on with Thorin and Azog, it would not have made sense to have a climatic battle scene between them right then and there. Some fight between them, sure, maybe, but not amped up to the tension and drama that we have in AUJ now. Thus, the music should have been different: what we hear on the soundtrack was written for the scene when it was NOT the end of AUJ, and is therefore not nearly as dramatic as what we hear in the movie as Thorin charges out of the pine tree and through the flaming trees. If I'm right, the switch to three movies (and subsequent need for rewriting part of that track) happened after the cd was too close to release (or already released? sorry, I don't know the date it was out but I'm sure someone around here can enlighten me) to make any changes on it.
The upshot of this: I'm guessing the Thorin/Azog showdown at the end was written a fair bit differently when there were only supposed to be two movies. Maybe Thorin didn't get nearly killed? And maybe even Bilbo didn't come out to defend him? Because surely there wouldn't have been a big lovefest between Thorin and Bilbo once they reached the Carrock. Anyways, interesting to speculate. But however it was written originally, I for one love the Thorin-striding-through-flaming-pine-trees bit (the most dramatic 30 seconds or so in the whole movie), and am quite happy to have it in there as it is now.
Happy to hear your thoughts on this!
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Difference between soundtrack and movie for the Thorin-strides-through-flaming-trees sequence
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Roheryn
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Jan 17, 5:34pm
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Erm, I thought the recording sessions didn't start until August
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FlyingSerkis
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Jan 17, 5:36pm
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Only problem I see...
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Kassandros
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Jan 17, 5:38pm
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Well, there goes that theory then...
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Roheryn
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Jan 17, 5:52pm
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Doug's blog being down, I can't find a direct quote
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FlyingSerkis
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Jan 17, 5:59pm
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Doug Adams has said the the music in the movie was by and large exactly what Howard Shore intended. //
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Kassandros
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Jan 17, 6:10pm
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Yes indeed.
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FlyingSerkis
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Jan 17, 6:15pm
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I briefly mentioned this in another thread...
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bborchar
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Jan 17, 6:05pm
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The issue is not that the music is more dramatic / different
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irodino
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Jan 17, 5:57pm
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It isn't a carbon copy
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Kassandros
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Jan 17, 6:26pm
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Very true.
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Roheryn
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Jan 17, 7:24pm
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Not buying it.
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hutch
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Jan 18, 3:32am
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This!
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Êleniel Tindome
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Jan 18, 1:38pm
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That!
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hutch
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Jan 19, 3:54am
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Lusitano, this is exactly the kind of post I'm talking about.
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Kassandros
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Jan 18, 3:48pm
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well
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Lusitano
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Jan 18, 4:40pm
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not just lazy, but odd.
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hutch
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Jan 19, 3:50am
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I just don't like it
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hutch
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Jan 19, 4:02am
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Whoa, Whoa, Whoa!
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hutch
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Jan 19, 3:49am
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Furthermore:
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hutch
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Jan 19, 3:51am
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I thoroughly enjoyed the music in the movie and am a bit at a loss at why everyone is so worked up about it. But, then again, I know a few people who liked the movie have been staying away from this forum due to all the negativity and hostility. Some of t
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Lusitano
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Jan 17, 9:45pm
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I was thinking of one or more specific persons, actually.
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Kassandros
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Jan 17, 9:56pm
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If you
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Lusitano
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Jan 17, 10:50pm
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Maybe
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hutch
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Jan 18, 3:46am
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If you
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Lusitano
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Jan 18, 2:39pm
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There are indeed some missing names lately...
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hutch
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Jan 18, 3:40am
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To be fair,
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Roheryn
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Jan 18, 3:54am
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Good point...way to pick that out...
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MasterOrc
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Jan 17, 5:58pm
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again...
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Oscarilbo
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Jan 17, 6:31pm
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Perhaps it will be revealed that either Thorin or Azog is in possession of Thrain's ring of power.//
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Bladerunner
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Jan 17, 6:51pm
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My own theory
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RalphDamiani
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Jan 17, 7:03pm
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You could be on to something
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Estel78
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Jan 17, 7:15pm
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Actually, that's a good point
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RalphDamiani
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Jan 17, 7:30pm
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THEMES FOR THE FORCES OF EVIL
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Jan 17, 10:34pm
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Good post!
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Súlimë
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Jan 18, 4:16am
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Great theory!
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Roheryn
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Jan 17, 7:32pm
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Did they music use that for Isildur? (been a while since I've seen LOTR)
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hutch
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Jan 18, 3:38am
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no
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Magpie
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Jan 18, 4:04am
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addition to that post
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Magpie
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Jan 18, 4:16am
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As far as the music goes, I don't have any idea why....
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dormouse
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Jan 17, 7:34pm
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I don't understand
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Lindele
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Jan 17, 10:34pm
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well... the 'official' name given to the music was the Ringwraith Theme
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Magpie
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Jan 18, 3:02am
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I thought they were very interesting, Magpie.
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Kassandros
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Jan 18, 3:45pm
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