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Plot Hole : How Azog crossed the Misty Mountains
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Radagast's Lead Bunny
Rivendell

Jan 13 2013, 9:59pm

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Azog and his hunters managed to be at the Goblins entrance just after the dwarves. It implies that they followed the dwarves through goblin town ? How could have them crossed the mountains so quickly and be sure to find the dwarves ?


LordotRings93
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Jan 13 2013, 10:01pm

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Just gotta suspend reality [In reply to] Can't Post

How do we know there isn't some quick, easy route through the Misty Mountains that Azog and his orcs know about? Them being orcs most likely know some easy routes to get over.

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Radagast's Lead Bunny
Rivendell

Jan 13 2013, 10:05pm

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gandalf [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf would know it


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Jan 13 2013, 10:05pm

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I had the impression (from the book) that the Misty Mountains were riddled with goblin tunnels, and there were several entrances/exits. They may have taken a different tunnel.

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 leniel Tindome
Bree


Jan 13 2013, 10:11pm

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simple explanation [In reply to] Can't Post

there was this little scribble clerk-orc. he informed Azog like a short message. (goblin king ordered it). During the time of the fight "under hill" Azog had enough time to follow


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kbdiggity
Rivendell

Jan 13 2013, 10:37pm

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there was this little scribble clerk-orc. he informed Azog like a short message. (goblin king ordered it). During the time of the fight "under hill" Azog had enough time to follow


Heck the little clerk Goblin was on a zipline.

Maybe Azog and his homies simply took ziplines through the mountains. That would be pretty quick.


irodino
Bree


Jan 13 2013, 11:34pm

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Bigger Plot Hole: How Radagast crossed Misty Mountains [In reply to] Can't Post

How did he get from Dol Guldur to where he met Gandalf and the Company, on his bunny sled? :P At least Azog had free passage through the goblin tunnels, but Radagast had no such luxury. Gandalf himself had some trouble with the snowstorm in FOTR, or so it seemed, and Radagast would have to take care of his bunny horde. Surely he didn't force them to drag him around the snowy peaks with no rest? What about food and warmth? :P Well maybe he went around the mountains, passing Isengard.

The way the movie shows it though, it seems like Radagast was driving like crazy and crying "Fire! Murder!" for a few hundred miles from DG :D

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Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Jan 13 2013, 11:54pm

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The way the movie shows it though, it seems like Radagast was driving like crazy and crying "Fire! Murder!" for a few hundred miles from DG :D


Perhaps he was!

I'm thinking he went around to the south past Isengard. Either he didn't want to talk to Saruman--understandable, considering Saruman's opinion of him--or Saruman was not at home, traveling to Rivendell for the White Council meeting.

" Well well!", said a voice. "Just look! Bilbo the hobbit on a pony, my dear! Isn't it delicious!"
"Most astonishing wonderful!"


Kristin Thompson
Rohan


Jan 14 2013, 12:03am

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How did Azog's minions happen to find Thorin and company camping out just after Balin told the story of the battle at Moria? That's a pretty big coincidence, given the decades (presumably) since the Moria battle happened. If there is some sort of explanation of this in the film, I'd appreciate learning about it, but having watched the film three times, it still seems to have no justification whatsoever.


arithmancer
Grey Havens

Jan 14 2013, 12:10am

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It's raised as a question, not answered. [In reply to] Can't Post


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How did Azog's minions happen to find Thorin and company camping out just after Balin told the story of the battle at Moria? That's a pretty big coincidence, given the decades (presumably) since the Moria battle happened.


It is not explained in the movie, but what I gathered is that the coincidence was noticed by Gandalf as well (and thus is not a plot-hole, but a mystery the future movies may well explain). This is why he made a point of asking Thorin (twice) whom Thorin had told of the quest.


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Jan 14 2013, 12:12am

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The only explanation I have so far [In reply to] Can't Post

is they followed Radagast? Only I think they spotted Thorin and Co. before Radagast found them.

" Well well!", said a voice. "Just look! Bilbo the hobbit on a pony, my dear! Isn't it delicious!"
"Most astonishing wonderful!"


Kristin Thompson
Rohan


Jan 14 2013, 12:13am

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It's possible there may be an explanation in a later part of the film, but I don't like the Azog plot at all, and to introduce it this way just makes me wince at the apparent coincidence. And of course, as pointed out, he and his band shows up within minutes of Bilbo existing the caves, and he does so only very shortly after Gandalf and the Dwarves do. This all pushes credulity a bit far.


Kristin Thompson
Rohan


Jan 14 2013, 12:18am

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They spotted the group before the trolls scene, when Radagast hasn't yet appeared. And how in the world would Azog know that Radagast has any connection with Thorin, who is the target of Azog's wrath? (And why do Azog's minions chase Radagast on his bunny sled? He can't know that Radagast has any connection with Thorin, and it's a poor set of hunters who get distracted from their goal of finding Thorin to chase anybody who passes by.)


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Jan 14 2013, 12:27am

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You are right, that doesn't make sense. [In reply to] Can't Post

But as far as chasing the bunny sled, I consider it a classic "dogs chasing rabbits" scenario--just too irresistible. Radagast bursts out of the woods from the same place Thorin and Co. are, so it would make some sense that the Orcs think he is connected to Thorin's group somehow.

" Well well!", said a voice. "Just look! Bilbo the hobbit on a pony, my dear! Isn't it delicious!"
"Most astonishing wonderful!"


xxxyyy
Rohan

Jan 14 2013, 12:39am

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Time of the year? Spring/summer? [In reply to] Can't Post

Can't remember... but if it's spring or summer, Caradras is open.
Maybe, also, goblins of Goblin Town helped the orcs to cross the mountains, through a passage.
I'd say, not a big deal.

As for Radagast... Isengard. The events seems simultaneous, but they are not.

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Plurmo
Rohan

Jan 14 2013, 12:39am

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He found the Weasley's blue Ford Anglia [In reply to] Can't Post

while searching for Thorin in the Forbidden Forest.


arithmancer
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Jan 14 2013, 12:48am

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It is summer [In reply to] Can't Post


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Can't remember... but if it's spring or summer, Caradras is open.


Midsummer when they are at Rivendell, to be precise.


stoutfiles
Rohan


Jan 14 2013, 12:49am

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Plot hole explained [In reply to] Can't Post

Thorin bumps his head escaping Goblin Town and is carried out. The following scenes never happen and are dreamed up by Thorin.

-Falling bridge
-Azog fight scene
-Bilbo being a warrior
-Thorin loving Bilbo too soon

The second movie will start with Thorin waking up and the eagle rescue going exactly how the book described it. We find out that Azog is, in fact, dead, and all his scenes were just Thorin dream sequences.

What a relief!


Plurmo
Rohan

Jan 14 2013, 1:06am

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Thorin will begin to hear non je ne regrette rien all around him...// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


imin
Valinor


Jan 14 2013, 1:08am

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Then get pushed off a cliff :p // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Morthoron
Gondor


Jan 14 2013, 1:36am

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Maybe someone...ummm...lent him a hand. [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Fŗfnir
Rohan


Jan 14 2013, 3:58am

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Thorin never intended to go through goblin town [In reply to] Can't Post

so there is obviously another pass, probably the one azog took


easterlingchief1
Rivendell


Jan 14 2013, 6:36am

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The Great Goblin's little messenger [In reply to] Can't Post

That little messenger Golbin (i.e. (i.e. the cackling Golbin imp in the bucket on the line) is sent by the Great Goblin to inform Azog that he (the Great Golbin) had captured the dwarves and could give him Thorin's head.

There's supposed to be more more scenes with that little imp, presumably of him giving the message to Azog and the Gundabad warg riders. Maybe once they get this message Azog and his troops head for the backdoor of Goblin Town?


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jan 14 2013, 8:44am

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This is the case for Radagast getting to them across the Mountains so easily and quickly too. For me anyway // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Roheryn
Grey Havens

Jan 14 2013, 9:40am

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He hijacked the bunny sled? [In reply to] Can't Post

I figured the Goblin-town goblins let him in the side door, and out some secret back door. Those Goblins surely have made heaps of tunnels and entrances/exits through their realm, haven't they? And for some reason they're friendly with Azog and company, so let them slip through quickly. I can suspend belief enough to make this work.

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