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Êleniel Tindome
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Jan 13 2013, 9:43pm
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Azog in all three Movies....
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I came across this today: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0071847/ and was looking for any discussion about it on this board (nothing found, sorry if theres already a thread).
Okay its "just imdb" but many people are already worried about having Azog till the bitter end...Maybe this is just the confirmation. Hope Not....
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Êleniel Tindome
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Jan 13 2013, 9:53pm
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...but - then again Thorin will not have any revenge... all what was build up in AUJ would be senseless
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Radagast's Lead Bunny
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Jan 13 2013, 10:02pm
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Maybe PJ will introduce a battle between the dwarves and Azog near Beorn's house, Beorn appear and save the day.
I think the whole part where Gandalf introduces the company one after one to Beorn while fun to read will not be good on film. We will see what PJ will do for this.
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utku
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Jan 13 2013, 10:03pm
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The cast lists for the upcoming movies are not submitted to IMDb as far as I'm aware. So it's probably a fan edit.
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Êleniel Tindome
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Jan 13 2013, 10:07pm
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The cast lists for the upcoming movies are not submitted to IMDb as far as I'm aware. So it's probably a fan edit.
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Kimtc
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Jan 13 2013, 10:07pm
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Yeah, that is clearly where this character arc has been heading.
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And with the addition of Bolg later on, they will have replaced the main "bad Orc" in the film. I know that there were several threads with various scenarios about who kills who when, and all seemed to focus on TABA. This would seem to change that.
Then again, I'm still trying to figure out how Frodo figures into DoS...
...but - then again Thorin will not have any revenge... all what was build up in AUJ would be senseless
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xxxyyy
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Jan 14 2013, 12:40am
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Killed at BO5A? I'm fine with that. I like him. (NT)
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stoutfiles
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Jan 14 2013, 12:51am
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I hope Beorn just says he killed him when he goes back to confirm their story. I hope we don't even see the killing because Azog needs no more screen time.
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Metal Slug
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Jan 14 2013, 1:00am
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Strongly dislike Azog sideplot writers felt 'necessary'
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I agree 100%. The Tolkien estate should sue Jackson for lies. It aggravates me.
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brucewayne
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Jan 14 2013, 1:08am
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"Lies"? Ridiculous. The Azog side plot was great, and about 5% of the movie, everybody chill out.
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Salmacis81
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Jan 14 2013, 1:35am
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It should have been Bolg, NOT Azog
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I generally enjoyed the film, but for me, the inclusion of Azog went way too far into the realm of fan-fiction. PJ kept saying that he had enough for 3 films because he had the rights to the Appendices, but it seems that everything that he has mined from the Appendices, he has altered so severely that it barely resembles what Tolkien wrote.
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Morthoron
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Jan 14 2013, 1:48am
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TH: AUJ, or The Hobbit: Azog's Unexpected Juxtaposition
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 14 2013, 2:40am
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Agreed. But I think Peter, Fran and Phillipa (and Guillermo, though I feel very much like they sidelined him) fell in love with that big hunk of
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bald, muscle packed orc. I really think that is the gist of it. They could have worked Bolg into his role very well, and if Thorin killed Azog, that makes Bolg's vengeance highly plausible. Bolg being implicated in Thrain's capture and torment would also fuel Thorin's rage. I think, at the end though, they liked Azog as a villain better than Bolg, and so they went with him. Too bad. I generally enjoyed the film, but for me, the inclusion of Azog went way too far into the realm of fan-fiction. PJ kept saying that he had enough for 3 films because he had the rights to the Appendices, but it seems that everything that he has mined from the Appendices, he has altered so severely that it barely resembles what Tolkien wrote.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Kimtc
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Jan 14 2013, 3:18am
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They could have worked Bolg into his role very well, and if Thorin killed Azog, that makes Bolg's vengeance highly plausible. Bolg being implicated in Thrain's capture and torment would also fuel Thorin's rage. I think, at the end though, they liked Azog as a villain better than Bolg, and so they went with him. Too bad.
And I'll be honest with you, based on the pictures I've seen, I find Bolg to be way more frightening than Azog. I'm not sure what about Azog makes him compelling, either physically or as a character. Maybe he's going to do something really horrific (more than beheading Thror?) in DoS, but it would have to be huge. No, I would have been more scared for the dwarves if they were running from Bolg.
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Estel78
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Jan 14 2013, 5:03am
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I don't know what's wrong about him other than he's not in the book!
I like him, very cool character. Imposing, great SFX.
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AinurOlorin
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Jan 14 2013, 5:56am
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The real problem with Azog is the contortions the history was put through for him
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That really is the biggest thing. The actual account, from the moment Thrain hears the news, and grieves and tears his beard and sits Seven silent days, to the muster of the Dwarven Host, joined by armies from the other Houses, to the moment when Dain, fresh from the slaying of Azog, comes down, ashen faces with dread, from The East Gate and tells Thrain that the dwarves cannot return to Moria, for Durin's Bane still lurks within, waiting to slaughter more of Durin's heirs, all weaves together into such a POWERFUL tale, and the editing and rearranging of it here greatly diminishes its force and weight. Still makes for an okay tale. But so much less than it could and should have been.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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deskp
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Jan 14 2013, 7:02am
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I think maybe azog wasnt much of a thing before the 3 movie change, when there was 2 movies Bolg propably was introduced half way through the first one.
With 3 movies they needed to add a persistent main villain to the first movie.
I would like to see him killed off asap simply because I find his cg-ness to be a little too apparent.
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Xanaseb
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Jan 14 2013, 8:43am
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once again, I entirely concur. So so much power in the actual appendix tale which they for the most part completely missed :¬(//
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Jan 14 2013, 9:53am
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For me, Azog worked better and better each time I saw the movie, and during the Azanulbizar flashback he gave me goosebumps twice! (When beheading Thror and when he strikes Thorin)
He's an awesome character, and even though I agree Bolg would probably be closer to canon I think Azog worked damn well 
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Radagast's Lead Bunny
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Jan 14 2013, 9:56am
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In DOS Azog can be killed :
=> By Beorn at the beginning of the film
=> By Tauriel as he follows the dwarves in Mirkwood
=> By Bard as he raids Laketown to get fresh supplies
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jtarkey
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Jan 14 2013, 10:02am
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Even though I'm not a huge Azog fan...
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I think that there now needs to be a showdown between him and Thorin at some point. Otherwise, their whole revenge storyline has no weight whatsoever.
I actually think it would be cool if Thorin and Azog somehow kill each other at BOFA. It would make for a pretty poetic ending. Both characters ironically get their revenge.
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DanielLB
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Jan 14 2013, 10:03am
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Azog should get his comeuppance at the BO5A.
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No other ending seems appropriate.
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Xanaseb
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Jan 14 2013, 10:15am
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yep, pretty sure that'll be the case. Just can't see it happening any other way cinematically now that they've set the Azog Complex up. //
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