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Azog in all three Movies....
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 leniel Tindome
Bree

Jan 13 2013, 9:43pm

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Azog in all three Movies.... Can't Post

I came across this today: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0071847/ and was looking for any discussion about it on this board (nothing found, sorry if theres already a thread).

Okay its "just imdb" but many people are already worried about having Azog till the bitter end...Maybe this is just the confirmation. Hope Not....


Radagast's Lead Bunny
Rivendell

Jan 13 2013, 9:52pm

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Beorn [In reply to] Can't Post

I hope he is killed by Beorn in the second film.


 leniel Tindome
Bree


Jan 13 2013, 9:53pm

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We all hope... [In reply to] Can't Post

...but - then again Thorin will not have any revenge... all what was build up in AUJ would be senseless


Radagast's Lead Bunny
Rivendell

Jan 13 2013, 10:02pm

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maybe [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe PJ will introduce a battle between the dwarves and Azog near Beorn's house, Beorn appear and save the day.

I think the whole part where Gandalf introduces the company one after one to Beorn while fun to read will not be good on film. We will see what PJ will do for this.


utku
Rivendell


Jan 13 2013, 10:03pm

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It's not official [In reply to] Can't Post

The cast lists for the upcoming movies are not submitted to IMDb as far as I'm aware. So it's probably a fan edit.


 leniel Tindome
Bree


Jan 13 2013, 10:07pm

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Hope that is true [In reply to] Can't Post


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The cast lists for the upcoming movies are not submitted to IMDb as far as I'm aware. So it's probably a fan edit.



Kimtc
Rohan

Jan 13 2013, 10:07pm

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Yeah, that is clearly where this character arc has been heading. [In reply to] Can't Post

And with the addition of Bolg later on, they will have replaced the main "bad Orc" in the film. I know that there were several threads with various scenarios about who kills who when, and all seemed to focus on TABA. This would seem to change that.

Then again, I'm still trying to figure out how Frodo figures into DoS...


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...but - then again Thorin will not have any revenge... all what was build up in AUJ would be senseless



AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Jan 13 2013, 11:41pm

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I am hoping that perhaps the orcs might be foolsih enough to venture near Beorn's [In reply to] Can't Post

house. Beorn and Gandalf do most of the heavy lifting, perhaps Beorn fells Azog's warg companion, and then Thorin slays Azog.

Love your icon by the way. Is that a reasonable approximation of your appearance? (the earlier one with the earmuffs. The other one is obvious enough, A Wizard knows Galadriel when he sees her lol)Smile

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...but - then again Thorin will not have any revenge... all what was build up in AUJ would be senseless


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

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(This post was edited by AinurOlorin on Jan 13 2013, 11:41pm)


xxxyyy
Rohan

Jan 14 2013, 12:40am

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Killed at BO5A? I'm fine with that. I like him. (NT) [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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stoutfiles
Rohan


Jan 14 2013, 12:51am

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Here here! [In reply to] Can't Post

I hope Beorn just says he killed him when he goes back to confirm their story. I hope we don't even see the killing because Azog needs no more screen time.


Metal Slug
Rivendell

Jan 14 2013, 1:00am

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Strongly dislike Azog sideplot writers felt 'necessary' [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree 100%. The Tolkien estate should sue Jackson for lies. It aggravates me.


brucewayne
Bree

Jan 14 2013, 1:08am

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Overreaction [In reply to] Can't Post

"Lies"? Ridiculous. The Azog side plot was great, and about 5% of the movie, everybody chill out.


Salmacis81
Tol Eressea


Jan 14 2013, 1:35am

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It should have been Bolg, NOT Azog [In reply to] Can't Post

I generally enjoyed the film, but for me, the inclusion of Azog went way too far into the realm of fan-fiction. PJ kept saying that he had enough for 3 films because he had the rights to the Appendices, but it seems that everything that he has mined from the Appendices, he has altered so severely that it barely resembles what Tolkien wrote.


Morthoron
Gondor


Jan 14 2013, 1:48am

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TH: AUJ, or The Hobbit: Azog's Unexpected Juxtaposition [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Jan 14 2013, 2:40am

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Agreed. But I think Peter, Fran and Phillipa (and Guillermo, though I feel very much like they sidelined him) fell in love with that big hunk of [In reply to] Can't Post

bald, muscle packed orc. I really think that is the gist of it. They could have worked Bolg into his role very well, and if Thorin killed Azog, that makes Bolg's vengeance highly plausible. Bolg being implicated in Thrain's capture and torment would also fuel Thorin's rage. I think, at the end though, they liked Azog as a villain better than Bolg, and so they went with him. Too bad.

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I generally enjoyed the film, but for me, the inclusion of Azog went way too far into the realm of fan-fiction. PJ kept saying that he had enough for 3 films because he had the rights to the Appendices, but it seems that everything that he has mined from the Appendices, he has altered so severely that it barely resembles what Tolkien wrote.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Kimtc
Rohan

Jan 14 2013, 3:18am

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You know, you're right. [In reply to] Can't Post


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They could have worked Bolg into his role very well, and if Thorin killed Azog, that makes Bolg's vengeance highly plausible. Bolg being implicated in Thrain's capture and torment would also fuel Thorin's rage. I think, at the end though, they liked Azog as a villain better than Bolg, and so they went with him. Too bad.


And I'll be honest with you, based on the pictures I've seen, I find Bolg to be way more frightening than Azog. I'm not sure what about Azog makes him compelling, either physically or as a character. Maybe he's going to do something really horrific (more than beheading Thror?) in DoS, but it would have to be huge. No, I would have been more scared for the dwarves if they were running from Bolg.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Jan 14 2013, 5:03am

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Azog is sweet! [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't know what's wrong about him other than he's not in the book!

I like him, very cool character. Imposing, great SFX.


(This post was edited by Estel78 on Jan 14 2013, 5:04am)


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Jan 14 2013, 5:56am

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The real problem with Azog is the contortions the history was put through for him [In reply to] Can't Post

That really is the biggest thing. The actual account, from the moment Thrain hears the news, and grieves and tears his beard and sits Seven silent days, to the muster of the Dwarven Host, joined by armies from the other Houses, to the moment when Dain, fresh from the slaying of Azog, comes down, ashen faces with dread, from The East Gate and tells Thrain that the dwarves cannot return to Moria, for Durin's Bane still lurks within, waiting to slaughter more of Durin's heirs, all weaves together into such a POWERFUL tale, and the editing and rearranging of it here greatly diminishes its force and weight. Still makes for an okay tale. But so much less than it could and should have been.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


deskp
Lorien


Jan 14 2013, 7:02am

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'Lurtz' [In reply to] Can't Post

I think maybe azog wasnt much of a thing before the 3 movie change, when there was 2 movies Bolg propably was introduced half way through the first one.

With 3 movies they needed to add a persistent main villain to the first movie.

I would like to see him killed off asap simply because I find his cg-ness to be a little too apparent.


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jan 14 2013, 8:43am

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once again, I entirely concur. So so much power in the actual appendix tale which they for the most part completely missed :¨(// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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painjoiker
Grey Havens


Jan 14 2013, 9:53am

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I just have to say, [In reply to] Can't Post

For me, Azog worked better and better each time I saw the movie, and during the Azanulbizar flashback he gave me goosebumps twice! (When beheading Thror and when he strikes Thorin)

He's an awesome character, and even though I agree Bolg would probably be closer to canon I think Azog worked damn well Wink

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Radagast's Lead Bunny
Rivendell

Jan 14 2013, 9:56am

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azog death [In reply to] Can't Post

In DOS Azog can be killed :

=> By Beorn at the beginning of the film

=> By Tauriel as he follows the dwarves in Mirkwood

=> By Bard as he raids Laketown to get fresh supplies


jtarkey
Rohan


Jan 14 2013, 10:02am

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Even though I'm not a huge Azog fan... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think that there now needs to be a showdown between him and Thorin at some point. Otherwise, their whole revenge storyline has no weight whatsoever.

I actually think it would be cool if Thorin and Azog somehow kill each other at BOFA. It would make for a pretty poetic ending. Both characters ironically get their revenge.

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DanielLB
Immortal


Jan 14 2013, 10:03am

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Azog should get his comeuppance at the BO5A. [In reply to] Can't Post

No other ending seems appropriate.


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Jan 14 2013, 10:15am

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yep, pretty sure that'll be the case. Just can't see it happening any other way cinematically now that they've set the Azog Complex up. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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