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Beorn and bears

Radagast's Lead Bunny
Rivendell

Jan 13 2013, 6:43pm

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We all know from the book that a meeting of bears of all size happened near Beorn's house.

Do we know if this scene is going to be depicted ?

I think that PJ will have Beorn leading a vast army of bears, dogs, rams and giant bees during the BOFA. It would be awesome. Plus I think it's cool to have more animals taking part in Middle Earth battle, for example we know that a lot of animals fought on Dagorlad at the end of the Second Age

What do you think of it ?


Calenheniel
Bree


Jan 13 2013, 6:46pm

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Given that there are so many parallels between LOTR and AUJ [In reply to] Can't Post

I envision it being reminiscent of the gathering of Ents in TTT. (Obviously the actual subjects in the congregation will look drastically different, though.)

I'm also looking forward to crazy animal battles.

'I do not know what is happening. The reason of my waking mind tells me that great evil has befallen and we stand at the end of days. But my heart says nay; and all my limbs are light, and a hope and joy are come to me that no reason can deny. Eowyn, Eowyn, White Lady of Rohan, in this hour I do not believe that any darkness will endure!' And he stooped and kissed her brow.


jimmyfenn
Rohan


Jan 13 2013, 6:47pm

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beorn [In reply to] Can't Post

i never really like beorn in the book, felt like a bit of a stop gap and never really fit in with tolkines other stuff.

that said i think for the film it will be much more enjoyable. and a great visual feast.

"You Tolkien to me?!" - Hobbit de Niro


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jan 13 2013, 7:24pm

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Why do you think it will be better in the film? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall and the bells in the steeple, too.
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird is popping out to say coo-coo (coo-coo, coo-coo).


jimmyfenn
Rohan


Jan 13 2013, 8:00pm

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well [In reply to] Can't Post

he is a strong character, visually for fighting in battles, its nice to see some of the other fauna of middle earth,works well with the eagles,rabbits , animal vibe i think the second film will need the slow safe opening of beorns house to start us off, stay safe from goblins etc.

in the tolkien mythology/ books, he just doesnt fit in anywhere, with anyone, never mentioned outside of the hobbit much, thats just my opinion.

"You Tolkien to me?!" - Hobbit de Niro


DanielLB
Immortal


Jan 13 2013, 8:02pm

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I hope so [In reply to] Can't Post

It might be a bit odd if there's only Beorn in all of Middle-earth, with no other bear friends.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Jan 13 2013, 8:17pm

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Interesting [In reply to] Can't Post

I think he works perfectly in the book. I do, however, understand your feelings about him not really fitting in anywhere. I nonetheless love the chapter in the book. It's a great respite from the goblins, yet it has it's own sense of danger.

There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall and the bells in the steeple, too.
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird is popping out to say coo-coo (coo-coo, coo-coo).


Eurolock
Bree

Jan 14 2013, 5:20am

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I would prefer just Beorn at BOFA [In reply to] Can't Post

Don't want it looking too much like the end of The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.


Me
The Shire

Jan 14 2013, 8:09am

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That would be SWEET!!! I wish more people thought like you do. [In reply to] Can't Post

 What about a couple of the spawns of Ungoliant thrown in the mix? That would bring a little more dread to the battle field wouldn't it?


DanielLB
Immortal


Jan 14 2013, 8:19am

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It would no longer be the Battle of the Five Armies though [In reply to] Can't Post

More like the Battle of Five Armies with a Mix of Several Hundred Other Animals.

Unimpressed


Me
The Shire

Jan 14 2013, 8:36am

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It is the Battle of the five armies, not the Battle of the five creatures... [In reply to] Can't Post

 Why are the spiders of middle earth such independent thinkers?...It would be cool to see them join forces with the goblin ranks...


Me
The Shire

Jan 14 2013, 9:11am

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It would be sad, if he was the only bear of his kind... [In reply to] Can't Post

We should have more werebears in middle earth. How do you go wrong with more werebears anyways? There is some room for a little artistic liberty where that issue is concerned. Supposedly the goblins killed them all off. But I don't think that there is any way to be positively certain of that fact. Tolkien's world is very large and it is feasible that there would be another of his kind.


(This post was edited by Me on Jan 14 2013, 9:12am)


Me
The Shire

Jan 14 2013, 6:12pm

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This is a very good topic for discussion. [In reply to] Can't Post

   Try to acknowledge the fact that Tolkien had a lot of respect for animals and creatures, in a similar way to C.S. Lewis. It would honor his memory quite well if people had an open mind regarding his mythology. His world is very vast, and expands a little farther than LOTR or UEJ. A little insightful thinking is appropriate and should be utilized in order to properly assess the lands and races which are very much apart of his world. Beorn would have had good reason to call upon his animals to fight in the BOFA. Just becouse it wasn't mentioned specifically doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Maybe Beorn just took a couple of beasts with him, but Tolkien didn't elaborate on it because it wasn't that much of a game changer. Tolkien's world is, very very large, and he is not able to tell us exactly what happened for every second of such a large battle. Beorn is someone that Tolkien cared to elaborate on, his character should be treated accordingly in the next two installments.

 
 

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