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Doubt he was a Vala

Fredeghar Wayfarer
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Jan 12 2013, 9:40pm


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The idea of humans becoming Valar doesn't fit with Tolkien's later writings. I would imagine that part was abandoned. The later prophecy of the Dagor Dagorath stated that Turin will return for the final battle with Morgoth. He will come from beyond the Circles of the World, from wherever Men go after they die. But as all this comes from the History of Middle-earth series, there's no telling what Tolkien would have kept or rejected if he'd published those writings himself.

I didn't recall the part about Ancalagon returning. That was probably meant to be similar to the Ragnarok stories of Norse myth where Thor battles the world-serpent Jormungand. Not sure how Ancalagon would return from death as well. Spirit freed from the Void by Morgoth?

This page gives a good summation of the Dagor Dagorath: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Dagor_Dagorath

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Turin a Vala? Nerven Send a private message to Nerven Jan 12 2013, 7:59pm
    Doubt he was a Vala Fredeghar Wayfarer Send a private message to Fredeghar Wayfarer Jan 12 2013, 9:40pm
        Last Battles Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Jan 14 2013, 12:01am
    I don't think there is a "final" word sador Send a private message to sador Jan 14 2013, 10:01pm
        I never saw Turin slaying Melkor as a problem or an unlikely event within the myth ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Jan 16 2013, 1:06am

 
 
 

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