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A small criticism of The Hobbit Soundtrack (and film soundtracks in general)

Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


Jan 11 2013, 10:10pm

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While I love the soundtrack for this film, something that annoys me about soundtrack CDs in general is the fact that they never follow the music heard in the film to the letter: bits are added in where they shouldn't be, and the tracks are not always in the correct order that you hear them in the film either (some bits aren't in the film whatsoever!)

For people like me who are able to match the individual sections of each soundtrack with particular moments in the film after two or three (sometimes even one!) viewing(s), it is frustrating as you try to imagine the film in your head listening to the music....but suddenly the music goes off track, or skips ahead to the end of a sequence in mid-flow, using the skipped bit of music later on, etc etc.

Does anyone agree with me on this,or do you prefer soundtracks in this style? Do you like the music to flow in order or to vary in terms of it's relative position in the film? (Yes, I know that the soundtrack follows in MOSTLY the right order)

"These are Gundabad Wargs! They will outrun you!"

"THESE are Rhosgobel Rabbits! I'd like to see them try...."



(This post was edited by Radagast-Aiwendil on Jan 11 2013, 10:11pm)


LordotRings93
Rohan


Jan 11 2013, 11:48pm

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Ehhhh [In reply to] Can't Post

Doesn't matter to me, really. If it's in order, that's great. But I don't mind it out of order either. Sometimes I like to skip ahead to the best tracks and whatnot. I can see why this would be frustrating. I think, due to the split into 3 films, it screwed up the soundtrack a little bit?

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Curunķr
The Shire


Jan 12 2013, 4:33am

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I understand what your saying... [In reply to] Can't Post

...but I guess for a standard audience, cues from the film just strung together chronologically from the film would be rather tedious.

The soundtrack is a different beast from a film. You need to be able to play it for what it is, without any images, so it needs to flow with it's own narrative and shape which is why they are like suites of the music which need to stand as entertainment in their own right.

It doesn't bother me that there are some differences from the film (though I don't agree with some other about the degree of differences), the soundtrack was locked way before the film, and hey - now we have two representations which is always better than one.


Earl
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Jan 12 2013, 6:07am

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Actually, the problem is the other way around (I think) [In reply to] Can't Post

The problem is not that the soundtrack veers away from the movie, but rather that the movie didn't use the entire soundtrack, but has moments of silence, sound effects, tracked music, or repeated music.

I can see though why that can be frustrating when listening to the score. Unless it's a theme, the music can sometimes sound rather generic and jolt you out of your listening experience.

It does that to me until I get used to it Smile


herzogian
Bree

Jan 12 2013, 9:09am

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Complete recordings [In reply to] Can't Post

Do you have the complete recordings for Lotr? It follows the movie and I think every piece of music is in it even for the ES. Maybe there will be one for the hobbit to.


Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


Jan 12 2013, 9:27am

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Yes I have the complete recordings, and love them for exactly that reason// [In reply to] Can't Post

With any luck they'll be a Hobbit one, but I doubt it will be until all of the three films are released in Extended Edition format Wink

"These are Gundabad Wargs! They will outrun you!"

"THESE are Rhosgobel Rabbits! I'd like to see them try...."



chris10112
Bree

Jan 13 2013, 12:08am

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The Necromancer [In reply to] Can't Post

Worst offender for this sort of thing.

Check it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cGFuCH6ck8

So much creepier.


hutch
Rohan


Jan 13 2013, 12:51am

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Please tell me there is something similar for [In reply to] Can't Post

the fight between Thorin and Azog at the end, because my least fav part of this entire movie was using Ringwraith music for a showdown between Orc and Dwarf.

Davy Jones could've been Bilbo...I mean he was a Brit with a sense for adventure, singing & dancing. And think of the costs it would've save with forced perspective: he was ACTUALLY 5'3. He also hung out with a grumpy tall dude in a hat (Mike Nesmith.) While we're at it let's just have Micky Dolenz and Peter Tork as Merry & Pippin.


hutch
Rohan


Jan 13 2013, 12:56am

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I don't even understand the title of the soundtrack [In reply to] Can't Post

says it's an extended edition. Are they just jumping the gun and putting out music for the extended edition now? Learning lesson from the EE planning of 10 years ago?

Davy Jones could've been Bilbo...I mean he was a Brit with a sense for adventure, singing & dancing. And think of the costs it would've save with forced perspective: he was ACTUALLY 5'3. He also hung out with a grumpy tall dude in a hat (Mike Nesmith.) While we're at it let's just have Micky Dolenz and Peter Tork as Merry & Pippin.


FlyingSerkis
Rivendell


Jan 13 2013, 12:20pm

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Here you go: [In reply to] Can't Post

Link

First 15-ish seconds are probably for a slightly earlier bit but the rest is great Smile

Then Manwė and Yavanna parted for that time, and Yavanna returned to Aulė; and he was in his smithy, pouring molten metal into a mould. 'Eru is bountiful,' she said. 'Now let thy children beware! For there shall walk a power in the forests whose wrath they will arouse at their peril.'

'Nonetheless they will have need of wood,' said Aulė, and he went on with his smith-work.


FlyingSerkis
Rivendell


Jan 13 2013, 12:27pm

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It doesn't claim to be for the extended edition [In reply to] Can't Post

It is merely the "Special Edition" of the original soundtrack for the theatrical edition of the film - just a bit more score. However, it has been speculated that there is a bit of score that was intended for an "Extended Edition" scene - the first section of "The White Council (Extended Version)" may be supposed to show a Rivendell scene (Bilbo seeing Narsil?) that was cut from the theatrical and moved to EE territory.

Then Manwė and Yavanna parted for that time, and Yavanna returned to Aulė; and he was in his smithy, pouring molten metal into a mould. 'Eru is bountiful,' she said. 'Now let thy children beware! For there shall walk a power in the forests whose wrath they will arouse at their peril.'

'Nonetheless they will have need of wood,' said Aulė, and he went on with his smith-work.


hutch
Rohan


Jan 13 2013, 3:26pm

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N/A [In reply to] Can't Post

says content is blocked in my country. Thanks for trying though. Just as long as there is alternate music for that scene, I'm happy. But I don't understand why this wasn't used. Saving for the EEs?

Davy Jones could've been Bilbo...I mean he was a Brit with a sense for adventure, singing & dancing. And think of the costs it would've save with forced perspective: he was ACTUALLY 5'3. He also hung out with a grumpy tall dude in a hat (Mike Nesmith.) While we're at it let's just have Micky Dolenz and Peter Tork as Merry & Pippin.


FlyingSerkis
Rivendell


Jan 13 2013, 5:55pm

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Doug Adams has spoken about it [In reply to] Can't Post


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But I don't understand why this wasn't used. Saving for the EEs?


Clearly at least two versions of this part of the score were written (as with much of the film). The way Doug seems to say it, one version was chosen as the best presentation for the album, and one version was chosen as the best presentation in the film. The reasons for choosing different versions - with the one in the film proving to be quite a controversial piece - we can only guess at. You could argue that the CD was more under Howard Shore's control, and thus maybe represents what he "intended", and the film itself was more under Peter Jackson's control, so it included what he liked better.

Doug keeps stressing, though, that there was no "forcing the composer to record something against his will" sort of thing. That doesn't mean there wasn't any disagreement, though Evil

Btw, shame that the video can't be viewed in your country. Unsure

Then Manwė and Yavanna parted for that time, and Yavanna returned to Aulė; and he was in his smithy, pouring molten metal into a mould. 'Eru is bountiful,' she said. 'Now let thy children beware! For there shall walk a power in the forests whose wrath they will arouse at their peril.'

'Nonetheless they will have need of wood,' said Aulė, and he went on with his smith-work.

 
 

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