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Protesting in advance to the notion of Galadriel carrying Gandalf like a babe in arms, as though she were an angel of mercy.

AinurOlorin
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Jan 11 2013, 7:06am


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Protesting in advance to the notion of Galadriel carrying Gandalf like a babe in arms, as though she were an angel of mercy. Can't Post

HE is the Angel in the equation! I understand he is in a limited, incarnate form, but Peter and company seem to be climbing aboard the overboard express here.
They need not explicitly inform the audience of Gandalf's Angelic origins and hidden nature, but nor should they be so heavily implying that he is inferior to other beings in Middle-Earth.

I love Galadriel, and I love that much her her power and mystique are being portrayed in these films. But she should not be seen to come across with the same mystery and power to Maiar, temporarily limited and incarnate though they be, that she conveys to the likes of Frodo, Aragorn or even Sindarin Elves. What is more, I wouldn't mind her being portrayed as a semi-angelic saviour to the likes of Aragorn or Thorin (misplaced as such a scene might be), but to Gandalf?? It's a bridge to far, if not handled VERY carefully (and Sir Peter is not always sufficiently careful in these matters).

Gandalf and the other Wizards are emmisaries of Eru and of The Valar, NOT of The High Elves. They are not answerable to Galadriel, nor do they require her to affirm whether or not they are making proper decisions (though certainly they would exchange counsel with her), and while they certainly could achieve more combining their powers with her own than they could independantly, there is little to nothing (save perhaps in some moments of foresight) that she can achieve for them through her powers that they cannot manage with their own powers. Those of you familliar with the movie Willow will understand the meaning when I say that Galadriel is NOT to Gandalf, what the Fairy Queen Cherlindrea is to The High Aldwin of Willow's community, or to the sorceress Fin Raizel. Whatever appearances may suggest, Gandalf is not some human magician who has gained the favour and trust of The Elves and is now allowed into their inner circle or tasked with aiding them in protecting Middle-Earth. And while we here, all (or largely) learned with lore, might say, "well, of course, everyone knows that is not the case," the truth is not everyone knows. The layperson in the audience knows nothing about the distant histories and true natures of some of these characters. Thus, presenting Gandalf as subordinate to Galadriel or as essentially less capable than her presents a fundementally flawed understanding of these characters, and of the dynamic between them, and does a disservice to the character of Gandalf.

I am not going to get into the argument of "who is more powerful," the incarnate Gandalf or Galadriel. Gandalf The White is, explicitly by his and Tolkien's observation, the most powerful being in Middle-Earth aside from Sauron himself. But who is marginally mightiest between Gandalf The Gray, Galadriel, The Balrog and Alatar. . .there are strong arguments to be made, but I have no interest in derailing this thread with them. What does bear stating, and what cannot be reasonably argued, is that Galadriel would not have any hope of walking into a fight with Durin's Bane and defeating him without working up a terrible sweat. She would likely not fare any better than Gandalf, Glorfindel, Feanor and Ecthellion. And hence my concerns about the report of her carrying Gandalf out of a conflict (doubtless in the assault on Dol Guldur). . . IF it is handled in such a way that she herself is clearly seen to be damaged/injured and imperiled, and to have remained concious during the battle mainly due to chance, rather than to superior skill and power, then it could work. But if she comes off looking like Legolas and Gandalf like Pippin, or if she comes floating in, glowing and unscathed, and picks up her "poor", overwhelmed "little helper" . . .. FrownMad oh hell no FrownMad.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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Protesting in advance to the notion of Galadriel carrying Gandalf like a babe in arms, as though she were an angel of mercy. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 11 2013, 7:06am
    lol what makes you think this will happen? // lurtz2010 Send a private message to lurtz2010 Jan 11 2013, 7:27am
        It was reported in an EW article. There was a link to it in an earlier post on this board. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 11 2013, 7:50am
            Agreed JWPlatt Jan 11 2013, 8:33am
                That has been a worry since I heard Phillipa comment on Galadriel AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 11 2013, 8:48am
    I love the idea... Elutherian Send a private message to Elutherian Jan 11 2013, 8:19am
        I can certainly see Gandalf Rolfina Send a private message to Rolfina Jan 11 2013, 8:33am
    Do we know the circumstances of how he ends up over her shoulder? imin Send a private message to imin Jan 11 2013, 8:29am
        I am inclined to agree with you here. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 11 2013, 8:51am
            Yeah i wouldnt like it imin Send a private message to imin Jan 11 2013, 8:59am
            Girls generally aren't stupid. Bumblingidiot Send a private message to Bumblingidiot Jan 11 2013, 2:27pm
                I agree with this but it aint going to happen imin Send a private message to imin Jan 11 2013, 5:08pm
                They turned Aragorn into an exile Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Jan 11 2013, 11:11pm
                    It was fighting talk. Bumblingidiot Send a private message to Bumblingidiot Jan 12 2013, 2:13am
                        That's a veritable lecture on Galadriel's power and the dangers of devotion. Plurmo Send a private message to Plurmo Jan 12 2013, 5:46am
        'ultimate xena warrior' <- *gag* loool // Xanaseb Send a private message to Xanaseb Jan 11 2013, 2:28pm
    Faaaar out ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Jan 11 2013, 8:45am
        Just curious... frodolives Send a private message to frodolives Jan 12 2013, 2:20pm
            LOTR-Council of Elrond he is shorter than Elrond & Glorfindel although this does not neccessarily make him short ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Jan 12 2013, 9:08pm
    I'd accept it on one condition. Mooseboy018 Send a private message to Mooseboy018 Jan 11 2013, 8:53am
    I'll wait to see how the scene plays out DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jan 11 2013, 9:03am
        Galadriel was hardcore in the Silmarillion Scourge of the Stoors Send a private message to Scourge of the Stoors Jan 11 2013, 9:37am
            Actually, nowhere in the SIL is there any detail of exactly what Galadriel did that was "hardcore"... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Jan 11 2013, 11:05am
                In The Silmarillion as written by J.R.R. Tolkien Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Jan 11 2013, 3:45pm
                    Yes, but that's not "detail"... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Jan 11 2013, 3:54pm
                        I knew you were going to say that! // Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Jan 11 2013, 3:56pm
            It isn't the being carried alone that is the problem, as I have said in earlier postage. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 11 2013, 10:03pm
    Wait and see.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jan 11 2013, 12:32pm
        A wait and see approach would have left you with Arwen at Helm's Deep. . . AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 11 2013, 10:08pm
            No, I don't believe it would. dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jan 11 2013, 11:10pm
            Arwen at Helm's Deep Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jan 11 2013, 11:56pm
                This. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Jan 12 2013, 1:41pm
                    We shall see... Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 12 2013, 5:02pm
                        Yet it was important, as it derailed Sauron's initial plan. The retreat and return to Mordor was AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 12 2013, 5:42pm
    It's impossible that Galadriel would carry Gandalf RalphDamiani Send a private message to RalphDamiani Jan 11 2013, 12:37pm
    I'm not worried Kullervo Send a private message to Kullervo Jan 11 2013, 1:00pm
        100% Agreed. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Jan 11 2013, 1:05pm
    I don't get what there is to be upset about dubulous Send a private message to dubulous Jan 11 2013, 1:21pm
        I really wish that the straw man of whether or not she would be capable of carrying him would stop being raised. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 11 2013, 10:29pm
    Ridiculous scene stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Jan 11 2013, 1:24pm
        Funny you say it's made up by PJ Arthael Send a private message to Arthael Jan 11 2013, 3:43pm
            Thank you. Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 11 2013, 3:56pm
            It is made up by PJ stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Jan 11 2013, 4:04pm
                Why would floating be "predictable"? Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 11 2013, 4:13pm
                    This is a very good point DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jan 11 2013, 4:19pm
                        But let them all be bruised, certainly only him, nor all but her. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 11 2013, 11:30pm
                            That would be "he". Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 11 2013, 11:50pm
                    Galadriel is shown as otherworldly all the time stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Jan 11 2013, 4:22pm
                        Just "what-ifs"? Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 11 2013, 4:25pm
                        Galadriel is shown as otherworldly Kullervo Send a private message to Kullervo Jan 11 2013, 4:35pm
    Hundred facepalms Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 11 2013, 1:33pm
        The scene is completely made up by PJ stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Jan 11 2013, 1:40pm
            *sigh* Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 11 2013, 1:55pm
                Okay, fair enough... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Jan 11 2013, 2:50pm
                    My ideas based on magazine snippets TheSexyBeard Send a private message to TheSexyBeard Jan 11 2013, 11:44pm
                Thanks for clearing the air. Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 11 2013, 5:33pm
        Thank you Lightice! Beren0nehanded Send a private message to Beren0nehanded Jan 11 2013, 2:00pm
        How wrong you are. We have seen him defeated by Saruman, and placed in dire straits AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 11 2013, 10:22pm
            Does not compute. Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 11 2013, 10:38pm
    I agree.... MorgolKing Send a private message to MorgolKing Jan 11 2013, 2:26pm
    There's little drama in the original Dol Guldur storyline... burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Jan 11 2013, 3:20pm
    We need to start a picket line in Wellington! Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 11 2013, 3:21pm
        Is this irony? Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Jan 11 2013, 4:26pm
            Sarcasm, not irony Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 11 2013, 5:34pm
                :D Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Jan 11 2013, 5:38pm
                Well said! ashonmytomatoes Send a private message to ashonmytomatoes Jan 11 2013, 5:56pm
    No one is infallible Istaris'staffs Send a private message to Istaris'staffs Jan 11 2013, 5:14pm
        Um.. MorgolKing Send a private message to MorgolKing Jan 11 2013, 5:26pm
            Why would Galadriel... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Jan 11 2013, 5:36pm
            The TT movie does not show Galadriel's part in rescuing Gandalf Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Jan 11 2013, 5:37pm
                That's the only thing Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 11 2013, 5:47pm
            Gandalf Nerven Send a private message to Nerven Jan 11 2013, 8:56pm
                Yes, well said, and I completely agree it's logical and plausible that she's powerful Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 11 2013, 9:46pm
            Exactly. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 12 2013, 1:56am
        Eru / Iluvatar sharku Send a private message to sharku Jan 11 2013, 9:59pm
    what strikes me most about this Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Jan 11 2013, 11:40pm
    Galadriel vs The Istari Benevolent Send a private message to Benevolent Jan 13 2013, 8:54pm

 
 
 

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