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Balin's tomb

The Shire

Jan 8 2013, 4:00pm

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Balin's tomb Can't Post

In the Moria scenes, is Balin in the tomb, or is that his skeleton filled with arrows and holding the book?


Jan 8 2013, 4:05pm

Post #2 of 23 (651 views)
Balin is in the tomb [In reply to] Can't Post

And Ori is the skeleton holding the book.


Jan 8 2013, 5:04pm

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Ori [In reply to] Can't Post

Isn't Ori the dwarf in The Hobbit movie that people seem to dislike the most? If so, was he killed by orcs, or movie fans? Smile


Jan 8 2013, 5:40pm

Post #4 of 23 (583 views)
really? [In reply to] Can't Post

is there any way we can tell this ?

"The World is Changed, I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air"


Jan 8 2013, 5:45pm

Post #5 of 23 (560 views)
Not officially [In reply to] Can't Post

There's no label saying that it is Ori, but in the book Gandalf reads aloud The Book of Mazarbul, and the last moments of Ori. In the films, a Dwarf is clasping the book, so we can assume that it is Ori.

Also, look at the noses! They're identical.

TH Ori
Dead dwarf


Jan 8 2013, 6:05pm

Post #6 of 23 (552 views)
So... [In reply to] Can't Post

It was Ori, in the FOTR book, that wrote de last pages of the Mazarbul book, and in the movie it is obvious that this Dwarf keeping held the book was who wrote the last pages, so assuming this is Ori makes a lot a sense.

Great observation, thank you for sharing.

"The World is Changed, I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air"


Jan 8 2013, 6:07pm

Post #7 of 23 (592 views)
Yep, see screencap [In reply to] Can't Post

FOTR will be reedited to create better continuity with The Hobbit. Tongue

PS - not my own work. I think maybe dormouse posted it first...

There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall and the bells in the steeple, too.
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird is popping out to say coo-coo (coo-coo, coo-coo).


Jan 8 2013, 7:53pm

Post #8 of 23 (531 views)
Also [In reply to] Can't Post

Adam Brown - who plays Ori in The Hobbit - jokingly tweeted that he was "on TV" on Christmas Day when Fellowship of the Ring was on UK TV, and with that tweet uploaded a photo of the tomb scene in which the skeleton with the book can be seen. So it seems safe to assume that the dead dwarf there is officially Ori Smile

Then ManwŽ and Yavanna parted for that time, and Yavanna returned to AulŽ; and he was in his smithy, pouring molten metal into a mould. 'Eru is bountiful,' she said. 'Now let thy children beware! For there shall walk a power in the forests whose wrath they will arouse at their peril.'

'Nonetheless they will have need of wood,' said AulŽ, and he went on with his smith-work.

(This post was edited by FlyingSerkis on Jan 8 2013, 7:56pm)


Jan 8 2013, 7:55pm

Post #9 of 23 (551 views)
wow... [In reply to] Can't Post

yeah, that'd make it official!

awesome, thanks!

"The World is Changed, I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air"

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Jan 8 2013, 10:44pm

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Awwww.... [In reply to] Can't Post


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Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

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Jan 9 2013, 12:02am

Post #11 of 23 (558 views)
Ori fan club [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To
Isn't Ori the dwarf in The Hobbit movie that people seem to dislike the most? If so, was he killed by orcs, or movie fans? Smile

*raises hand* Ori fan here. And there are a few of us in this place, so be careful how you speak. Tongue

Ziggy Stardust

Jan 9 2013, 1:25am

Post #12 of 23 (536 views)
Really? [In reply to] Can't Post

I like him. Why do people hate him the most? Is it because of his hipster-ish outfit?


Jan 9 2013, 2:25am

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Comes across as a bit pathetic to me [In reply to] Can't Post

Also he just clearly isnt a dwarf, lol. He also had two bad lines of dialogue that made me want to hit him.

Some like him though and the ones that do seem to love him.


Jan 9 2013, 8:22am

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It does make you wonder ... [In reply to] Can't Post

How he survived until they went to Moria. Wink


Jan 10 2013, 1:33am

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Protection [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To
How he survived until they went to Moria. Wink

He had big brother Dori looking out for him. Tongue


Jan 10 2013, 10:18am

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I love this / [In reply to] Can't Post



Jan 11 2013, 9:04pm

Post #17 of 23 (386 views)
Already great book moment [In reply to] Can't Post

Becomes also a great movie moment when you watch all six films together knowing Ori and Balin as characters and then seeing them dead. I hope to get the same feeling as I do when I read the books.

 leniel Tindome

Jan 11 2013, 10:33pm

Post #18 of 23 (399 views)
agree! [In reply to] Can't Post


Grey Havens

Jan 12 2013, 9:04pm

Post #19 of 23 (333 views)
My guess is he'll have a 'growing up' moment or two in TH films [In reply to] Can't Post

thus bridging the gap we perceive now between TH-Ori and LOTR-Ori. If so, it'll add a lot of depth to his character, more so than if he had been an obvious choice for the retaking of Moria right from the beginning of TH.

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Jan 12 2013, 10:24pm

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Yes, he may be in the "Pippin" character arc category. // [In reply to] Can't Post




Jan 12 2013, 10:51pm

Post #21 of 23 (328 views)
I did [In reply to] Can't Post

I read through that part of the book and it seemed to mean more than it did before.

"There were many recesses cut in the rock of the walls, and in them were large iron-bound chest of wood. All had been broken and plundered: but beside the shattered lid of one there lay the remains of a book. It had been slashed and stabbed and partly burned, and it was stained with black and other dark marks like old blood that little of it could be read."

Makes you wonder if it's Ori's blood that stains the book. In the novel, it was put into one of the recesses, so it seems that Ori tried to hide it before he died. In the movie, he was holding it when he died, but there are blood spots in the book, likely his. Poor Ori! How horrifying to know that you're going to die shortly.

And I agree with the others, that he probably grows up a bit in The Hobbit. Don't forget, he's basically "a kid" compared to the others, so he says and does some stupid things just like any kid in the company of adults. And there's about a 30 year gap between the end of Hobbit and the retaking of Moria(if I understand the time line correctly). So there's time for him to grow older and mature a bit.


Jan 13 2013, 12:30am

Post #22 of 23 (377 views)
Fear of death [In reply to] Can't Post

That's what I expect for myself.

I'm sure he was scared and tried to find a place to hide. Nobody would blame him at all for doing so. As far as his blood being on the book I'd imagine it was or it makes the most sense to me. It would scare me to death to know my death was just waiting outside a door. So like I said I don't blame him for trying to hide.

I'd expect that he would grow up some. He's a little annoying in The Hobbit but that's a lot of time to be more adultish.


Jan 13 2013, 1:07pm

Post #23 of 23 (337 views)
That doesn't really bother me [In reply to] Can't Post

because I don't expect all dwarves to be the same. Some are going to be more pathetic (or childish or whatever) and they are not all going to look like big tough beardy guys - just like how humans come in all shapes and sizes.

It gives a great opportunity for him to mature and learn important lessons about life and death in the next two movies. In the book, the only dwarf character who has any meaningful development is Thorin, and maybe Balin, so I'm really looking forward to seeing some of the other characters change and grow - even if it's from the imagination of PJ, Phillipa and Fran.


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