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snow physics on Caradhras

Oscarilbo
Lorien


Jan 7 2013, 4:59pm

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Hi guys...

I was seeing again FOTR the other night and notice something that distracted me completely in one of my favorite moments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCvUrVQSFy4

at mark 2:10 and 2:20 you can see huge junks of snow being lifted around by the wind as if were not heavy at all. As I've never been in a snowy place.. is that possible in a storm wind or its just because of the fake snow material ???

I think I'm afraid of never see this scene with the same eyes again.

thank you!

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Escapist
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Jan 7 2013, 5:05pm

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the snow wasn't meant to be entirely natural.

I have seen very wet snow clump a bit as it falls. Some of the flying snow is coming from drifts and may also be partly made up of ice blowing off of rocks, maybe?


DanielLB
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Jan 7 2013, 5:13pm

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I imagine this is the effect of the fake snow used in this scene [In reply to] Can't Post

However if the wind speed is strong enough, there's no reason why large lumps of snow and ice couldn't be moved about. Unfortunately, the snow in this scene doesn't move like this in real life (again, because it's fake).

Strong wind speeds (updrafts) can produce large hail stones - the longer they stay in the cloud, the bigger they get. You can get some hail stones as large as your fist (and larger!).


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Magpie
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Jan 7 2013, 5:13pm

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not sure what you mean by 'huge junks (chunks?)' [In reply to] Can't Post

if you mean large snowflakes, then I would say 'yes', they can fly around in unpredictable ways, especially around walls and structures where updrafts are created. You can sometimes see snow going up.

When it snows with wind, one side of our house will have much deeper snow bank than another side (we often don't even have to shovel the sidewalk on the north side which is quite close to the house). Snow fencing is put up or rows of trees planted to manipulate where snow falls (and keep it off roads, for example). Of course, this doesn't work when snow falls without wind. It's pretty much a blanket in that case. And how wet or dry snow is will make it behave differently, as well. Dry snow flies much more freely than wet snow.

If you're seeing really, really big chunks of packed snow or something (which I couldn't see but that's not a high quality video), then my answer might not apply.

That said, I can't say the snow in that scene looks or behaves 100% like real snow. But it's not so much off that it takes me out of the moment.


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Oscarilbo
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Jan 7 2013, 5:46pm

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thank you guys...

and yes, sorry... I ment chunks. you can see them as small rocks floating around a little bit at both marks, just behind Boromir's shield.

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Oscarilbo
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Jan 7 2013, 5:52pm

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but for you it's not fake enough to take you out of the scene right?

as Escapist put it, I think I'll keep the "not all natural place" statement, I like it and it helps for this purpose

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DanielLB
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Jan 7 2013, 5:54pm

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I had never noticed it before :-) [In reply to] Can't Post


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but for you it's not fake enough to take you out of the scene right?

as Escapist put it, I think I'll keep the "not all natural place" statement, I like it and it helps for this purpose


And it isn't too obvious, which is a benefit.

 
 

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