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Roheryn
Grey Havens

Jan 4 2013, 8:12am

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Just got back from viewing #5 (thanks, Starling!) and, whaddyaknow, there’s still heaps of things I hadn’t noticed yet! I figure I need at least another five viewings to make sure I’ve caught everything. Cool So here's my latest round of thoughts and observations:


Several children in Dale are riding on a small merry-go-round.

Thorin’s receding hairline: In Erebor, the young princely Thorin has a fairly low hairline – straight across his forehead. In the few seconds where we see him forging something in exile, he’s starting to have a wee bit of a widow’s peak. In the Battle of Azanulbizar, the widow’s peak is a little more pronounced, and then of course during the non-flashback parts of AUJ he’s got quite a pronounced widow’s peak. Nice detail to show the passage of time.

On Bilbo’s desk at one point where he’s just finished writing something and stands up, we get a quick view of some parchment with writing on it. I only had time to read the first line, and it was “There was a merry messenger…”. This is the first line of Tolkien’s poem called Errantry, which was the precursor to what became known as the Lay of Earendil in LOTR.

Bilbo correctly responds to Dwalin’s greeting of “At your service!”. With each subsequent answering of the door, however, the first sound he makes when he opens the door and sees another Dwarf or Dwarves is what I can only describe as a strangled squeak. He never remembers his manners after that!

Once the whole throng is assembled in Bag End, the raucous Dwarves start getting ready for their big feast/party – they actually start rearranging Bilbo’s furniture (his dining table in particular) to make it so they all have a place to sit.

As those preparations are going on, Fili and Kili take charge of getting the barrel of ale. In the background at one point, we see Kili standing at the barrel and Fili bent down at one end of it – it looks like he’s drinking straight out of the tap.

Thorin’s first words when he makes his kingly entrance into Bag End are “Gandalf! I thought you said this place was easy to find!” And then something about he took a wrong turn twice. No wonder he needs a map!

Just what exactly *were* Fili and Kili doing when they were supposed to be watching the ponies? Thorin told them to “Make sure you stay with them!” – clearly he knows those two well!

I heard the ponies’ names as Daisy, Bongo, Myrtle, and Minty.

The Dwarves on the spit during the troll scene have been stripped down to their long johns. After their rescue, Bofur and Bombur can be seen helping Bifur get his trousers back on.

After the trolls turn to stone, Gandalf chides Thorin for being disdainful of Bilbo, and says to Thorin what I’ve heard every time now as “None of you had the ’nads to play for time.” I can’t help but giggle; I’m sure I’m not hearing that right!

When Elrond and the other Elves ride in at Rivendell, as the Dwarves go into their defensive huddle, Thorin leans over to Dwalin’s ear and hisses “Stay sharp!”.

In Rivendell, Thorin, Gandalf, and Elrond eat at the high table (nice touch that they eat separate from the others). One food item on their plates looks suspiciously like sushi rolls.

In Rivendell, after the Dwarves have dispensed with decorum and are busily turning Elrond’s furniture into a bonfire, there’s some silliness going on with sausages and so forth. In the background of that scene, you can see they’ve hung their laundry up to dry – looks like their long underwear suits that we saw some of them in during the Dwarves-on-a-spit scene. Someone in the background is also muttering about smelly…socks, I think it was. I bet Rivendell has never seen Dwarvish underwear hung out to dry!

Thorin can swallow his pride when he has to: despite Balin’s admonishment (“Thorin! No!”), Thorin does hand over the map to Elrond. I suspect we may see him lose this ability over the next two movies, at least until the very end; but even when he’s at his most haughty, wilful, and arrogant, we’ll still remember his softer sides.

Thorin’s oakenshield is clearly visible on his left side slung low, during the warg chase scene across the plains before Rivendell, and during the stone giants sequence. Forgot to look for it in Goblintown.

During the stone giants sequence: I tried really hard this time, but I just can’t keep track of which young prince ends up in which group. It actually looked most likely that both of them end up in the group that crashes. Regardless, I’m 98% sure that it’s “NOOOO!...KILI!” that Thorin yells (not “Fili”), and I’m SURE he moans in relief “Oh, Kili, oh…” after he sees that that group is safe. He really cares about Kili.

Okay, and it is Bombur that Fili is helping up just at the end of the above scene. I had thought it was Kili earlier, behind Bombur.

How did Thorin get Orcrist back at the end? It’s lying next to him after he’s knocked unconscious by Azog and the warg, but then it’s clearly with him while the eagle carries him off. Did the eagle pick it up too?





Joe20
Lorien


Jan 4 2013, 8:21am

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Nice observations there... [In reply to] Can't Post

and BTW Gandalf says "he had the nous to pray for time."


DanielLB
Immortal


Jan 4 2013, 8:24am

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This one has bugged me [In reply to] Can't Post


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How did Thorin get Orcrist back at the end? It’s lying next to him after he’s knocked unconscious by Azog and the warg, but then it’s clearly with him while the eagle carries him off. Did the eagle pick it up too


I'm on my 6th viewing, and I've come to the conclusion that Orcrist has tiny little legs and moved closer to Thorin just before the eagles came.

After Thorin is thrown from the mouth of the Warg, it's out of his reach on his right side. Yet, the eagle manages to pick him up without touching the ground, nor being close to Orcrist. The only reasonable explanation is that Orcrist got up and walked closer to Thorin. Wink

Great list! I'm going to look out for those sushi rolls next time!

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Roheryn
Grey Havens

Jan 4 2013, 8:35am

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"Nous"! Of course. [In reply to] Can't Post

That makes more sense; thanks! Smile


Starling
Half-elven


Jan 4 2013, 8:37am

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Speaking of the sushi rolls [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought I saw halved hard-boiled eggs with a herb garnish on the plates as well.


Starling
Half-elven


Jan 4 2013, 8:39am

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I am way too scared to ask [In reply to] Can't Post

what 'nads' are. Crazy

Did you know The Two Towers is on telly right now? Weirdly, I just watched the first half of it the other night. It's quite interesting seeing the theatrical version for the first time in many years.


Bombadil
Half-elven


Jan 4 2013, 8:55am

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Bomby's 5th&6th viewing is Tom...Morrow [In reply to] Can't Post

Thizz time with a NotePad..ROS.notes in hand..
Tryin' hard to Advance geeky observations.

Bomby is "Sneaky Theatre lurker"..why pay for 2.viewings
on a weakday with Theatres mostly Empty?
(Hint..Hint?)


Starling
Half-elven


Jan 4 2013, 9:03am

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Go Bomby! [In reply to] Can't Post

That's the spirit! Smile


Silverlode
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Jan 4 2013, 9:13am

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I'm due another viewing [In reply to] Can't Post

and I definitely want to watch and see if I can see how Orcrist gets picked up. I did notice that the eagle rolled Thorin over before picking him up; maybe he gets rolled over it and it gets picked up with him that way?

Silverlode






Roheryn
Grey Havens

Jan 4 2013, 9:14am

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Ha! [In reply to] Can't Post

Slang, and short for "gonads", i.e., what Bofur says you need to have to play croquet.


Bombadil
Half-elven


Jan 4 2013, 9:16am

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Here's how you do it! [In reply to] Can't Post

Leave your viewing.
Pass by the concession stand.
Wander over to the next showing.
Slip in there..
Taking note of the other theater.
Pass by the concession stand to use the bathroom on the other side.
Be low profile..Bomby wears a vest under Bomby's LOTR Denim jacket.
ReLayer your Look...
Concessions are too busy RINGing up popcorn purchases to notice?
Have your own Hobbit marathon?

TB&G


Roheryn
Grey Havens

Jan 4 2013, 9:23am

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I'm still trying to work out [In reply to] Can't Post

how often I can convince the rest of my household that I'm "due" another viewing!

Yes, the eagle did roll Thorin over a bit, so maybe that helps explain the Orcrist recovery. Let us know what you conclude after the viewing you're due!


Starling
Half-elven


Jan 4 2013, 9:28am

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*Sticks fingers in ears* Not listening! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Eleniel
Grey Havens


Jan 4 2013, 10:53am

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Yes, "nous" - and I believe you mean "play for time!" // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort






Joe20
Lorien


Jan 4 2013, 11:40am

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haha, now i'm doing it [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Elvanui
Rivendell


Jan 4 2013, 11:57am

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I thought it was 'nerve' [In reply to] Can't Post

..or 'nerves'. What's nous? Does it mean brains?

Regarding Orcrist, I just put it down to big eagle = big claws, so he managed to grab Thorin and the sword at the same time.

I love your lists Roheryn!

"...under all there was a great joy: a fountain of mirth enough to set a kingdom laughing, were it to gush forth."


Starling
Half-elven


Jan 4 2013, 12:01pm

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Yes, it's nous [In reply to] Can't Post

And it basically means 'brains' or 'intellect'.
I think it's of Greek origin.


RalphDamiani
Rivendell

Jan 4 2013, 12:13pm

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Great list! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Eleniel
Grey Havens


Jan 4 2013, 1:27pm

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Brit slang! [In reply to] Can't Post

nous [nau:s] n
1. (Philosophy) Metaphysics mind or reason, esp when regarded as the principle governing all things
2. Brit slang common sense; intelligence [from Greek, literally: mind]

Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort






(This post was edited by Eleniel on Jan 4 2013, 1:28pm)


FlyingSerkis
Rivendell


Jan 4 2013, 1:31pm

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That is very cool [In reply to] Can't Post


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On Bilbo’s desk at one point where he’s just finished writing something and stands up, we get a quick view of some parchment with writing on it. I only had time to read the first line, and it was “There was a merry messenger…”. This is the first line of Tolkien’s poem called Errantry, which was the precursor to what became known as the Lay of Earendil in LOTR.



Elvanui
Rivendell


Jan 4 2013, 2:41pm

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Oh dear. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm a Brit, and I even slang from time to time! But I don't know this one. Thanks, both, for the clarification!

"...under all there was a great joy: a fountain of mirth enough to set a kingdom laughing, were it to gush forth."


TheSexyBeard
Lorien

Jan 4 2013, 2:48pm

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During the escape from Goblin town... [In reply to] Can't Post

and the into the frying pan, Ori wields a hammer that I'm sure belongs to Dwalin who uses his axes in both of these sequences.

Yes, my username is terrible.


Valandil ed Imladris
Lorien


Jan 4 2013, 3:00pm

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another observation [In reply to] Can't Post

during the Good Morning scene you can see a Hobbit lady hanging up clothes behind Gandalf and when Bilbo runs to join the company you can see two Hobbits fishing in a small pond.

Aaaaaand just before Dwalin arrives and Bag End is shown from the outside a Hobbit with a big bottle walks by and takes a sip. He seems to be pretty drunk, probably just coming from the green dragon.


Simon
Rivendell

Jan 4 2013, 3:27pm

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Good observations! [In reply to] Can't Post

"When Elrond and the other Elves ride in at Rivendell, as the Dwarves go into their defensive huddle, Thorin leans over to Dwalin�s ear and hisses �Stay sharp!�."

I love the fact that it was Gloin who charge with more aggressivity when Elrond invited the dwarves in elvish language. Gimli have the temper of his father (the scene when Gimli speak to Haldir at Lothlorien)


Rostron2
Gondor


Jan 4 2013, 4:59pm

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It's amagical sword [In reply to] Can't Post

The Ring abandons Gollum, so the sword like to creep back to their owners.

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