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Huffington Post: Critics dislike Peter Jackson’s The Hobbit at their own peril

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Jan 3 2013, 8:45pm


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I haven't seen an actual thread started on this one so I guess this is okay. I think this was a great article. I really liked pretty much everything this guy had to say.

But the main thing I want to talk about is some of the comments disagreeing with this reviewer for referring to LOTR as an allegory. This is sort of rushed and really only barely glosses over everything I want to say but here it goes:

In the reviewer's defense, the term "allegory," in its strictest sense, refers to concepts and ideas represented by the story. I think most people are thinking too literally as in he is saying LOTR was an allegory for WWII, or the ring is an allegory for the machine of atomic bomb. I don't think that's at all what the reviewer means.

LOTR is an allegory in the sense that it's characters represent certain important themes, concepts, and ideas that are at the heart of the story. The ring itself represents power. And the entire story is about what mankind does when faced with this power. In the end, man will become corrupted by the the desire to use power, no matter how good his intentions were to begin with.

Short analysis, but here are some major themes. Many of the characters represent different aspects of human nature facing this power. Denethor represents those who turn to despair and give up when darkness comes. Saruman represents one who lusts for power, possibly out of fear of sauron regaining the ring. Boromir is one of the mightiest men of Gondor, and that's why Tolkien wrote his character as the one member of the fellowship who could resist it the least. It was only in the hands of a hobbit - someone who most would consider weak - that the ring had little seduction over (though it's also a major point that it does eventually corrupt him in the end).


And of course there's also the concept of war throughout the story. It's not a direct parallel to WWI and WWII but it is certainly influenced thematically. This grand war that could decide the doom of men is being fought over this tiny piece of gold. So many turn to madness over what can happen. But LOTR also represents the brutality of war and the less than black and white nature of "evil soldiers" through Faramir's dialogue.

The whole purpose of Frodo leaving is to represent that part of him has died because of this journey he went on. He will never be the same.Tolkien probably felt much the same after serving time in war. And Frodo's conversation with Sam about not being torn in two and that his part in the story must go on is a direct representation of how we all must deal with losing loved ones - and this was something that greatly affected Tolkien because many of his closest friends had died and to him it was a way of saying goodbye.

So yes, I would agree that LOTR is an allegory in the strictest sense of it's representations of themes and ideas and symbolism.

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Huffington Post: Critics dislike Peter Jackson’s The Hobbit at their own peril redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jan 3 2013, 8:45pm
    A movie shouldn't need a huge article like this to justify its self... QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Jan 3 2013, 8:57pm
        False for a huge majority... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Jan 3 2013, 9:18pm
            I dunno... It has a Rotten Tomatoes score lower than the Rankin/Bass version // QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Jan 3 2013, 9:20pm
                Please try to listen... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Jan 3 2013, 9:22pm
                    But this thread is about the critics' response // QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Jan 3 2013, 9:32pm
                        Okay Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Jan 3 2013, 9:34pm
                            Critics are people too! QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Jan 3 2013, 9:46pm
                                Well... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Jan 3 2013, 9:54pm
                                    I think the answer is different depending on why you're watching the film... QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Jan 3 2013, 10:20pm
                                Thank you redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jan 3 2013, 10:10pm
                    The audience rating is moderate on RT burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Jan 3 2013, 9:34pm
                        Well, I guess that is hate (or 'not like') then ;) Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Jan 3 2013, 9:46pm
                        Many explanations for differences between critic and fan ratings exist. Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Jan 3 2013, 10:00pm
                Of course it does! DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jan 3 2013, 9:26pm
                    Let alone the fact that the R/B movie has only 15 critics or so... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Jan 3 2013, 9:29pm
                    Ha! ashonmytomatoes Send a private message to ashonmytomatoes Jan 3 2013, 9:30pm
                who cares about moldy tomatoes and failed art critics? hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 1:31am
                    lmao AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 4 2013, 1:32am
                Probably because IMO the R&B version was truer to the book than Peter Jackson's Hobbit. Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Jan 5 2013, 12:09am
        To be honest redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jan 3 2013, 9:35pm
            Did I say I don't like the film? QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Jan 3 2013, 10:01pm
                No you were fine redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jan 3 2013, 10:34pm
                Not necessarily lyndomiel Send a private message to lyndomiel Jan 4 2013, 2:39am
        Well, why not? Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 4 2013, 12:27am
        It moves much more quickly than Two Towers or Return of The King, and while AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 4 2013, 1:00am
            It moves faster and slower at the same time imin Send a private message to imin Jan 4 2013, 1:09am
                Well now. . . AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 4 2013, 1:24am
                    I dont know more than one person say they like it more than any of the lotr films imin Send a private message to imin Jan 4 2013, 1:38am
                        Tell your gf... hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 1:44am
                        For me nothing beats FOTR hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 1:52am
                        I have heard it often, and read it even in some reviews. Mainly from AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 4 2013, 2:12am
                            I can see those people liking it more for sure imin Send a private message to imin Jan 4 2013, 2:17am
                                Yeah, I definitely noticed, and it definitely harmed the scene for me. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 4 2013, 2:47am
                                    yeah, that's kind of a curse hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 3:20am
                                        Indeed he does AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 4 2013, 3:31am
                            My mom's fav scene was the dwarfs belching. hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 2:17am
    I read that article earlier ashonmytomatoes Send a private message to ashonmytomatoes Jan 3 2013, 8:58pm
    Agreed belfalas Send a private message to belfalas Jan 3 2013, 9:09pm
    Critics are Critics Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 3 2013, 10:32pm
        Here! Here! redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jan 3 2013, 11:45pm
            "Hear, Hear" JWPlatt Jan 4 2013, 12:15am
                hahahaha redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jan 4 2013, 1:01am
            Every time Avatar gets mentioned on these boards I'm compelled to say something QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Jan 4 2013, 12:51am
                Avatar DNA Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 4 2013, 1:20am
                    I think redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jan 4 2013, 1:29am
                        Yeah... Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 4 2013, 5:41pm
                    No. hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 1:49am
                Avatar redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jan 4 2013, 1:22am
                    It is massively overrated imin Send a private message to imin Jan 4 2013, 1:27am
                        Underrating and overrating. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 4 2013, 1:31am
                            Most of the criticism seems like personal attacks hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 1:35am
                                Or you are reading into it what you want? imin Send a private message to imin Jan 4 2013, 1:47am
                                    Nope. hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 1:56am
                                        Fair enough imin Send a private message to imin Jan 4 2013, 2:00am
                                            He got famous. hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 2:06am
                                                That's a big brother/little brother thing Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jan 4 2013, 2:16am
                                                    Penal colony vs Pretty country hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 2:19am
                                                    There is something similar between England and Australia imin Send a private message to imin Jan 4 2013, 2:28am
                                                        As England currently holds The Ashes, I'll give you that. :D / Ataahua Send a private message to Ataahua Jan 4 2013, 2:32am
                                                            Kiwis are getting revenge hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 2:36am
                                                        ouch. hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 2:33am
                                            King Kong and A Lovely Bones apparently lyndomiel Send a private message to lyndomiel Jan 4 2013, 3:14am
                                                Yeah but they were also not very good films imin Send a private message to imin Jan 4 2013, 3:18am
                                                    Lovely Bones was good to me. hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 3:22am
                                                        Had i not read the book imin Send a private message to imin Jan 4 2013, 3:41am
                                                            Never read that book, so I had no expectations... hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 4:14am
                                                            I dont think its strange that so many Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Jan 4 2013, 4:41pm
                                                            Sheeesh I feel the same way about the Hobbit, had I only just never read the book... Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 Jan 5 2013, 12:16am
                                                I loved Lovely Bones hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 3:21am
                            yeah i dont get this either imin Send a private message to imin Jan 4 2013, 1:43am
                                The Avengers was a sleeper hit... hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 1:46am
                                    haha that is exactly what it was! // imin Send a private message to imin Jan 4 2013, 1:49am
                                    hahaha redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jan 4 2013, 2:00am
                                        I dunno. Feeling playful today for some reason. hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 2:02am
                                That's interesting redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jan 4 2013, 1:59am
                                    I think the world gives our Hollywood movies a free pass hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 2:01am
                                    I dont think there is any intentional bias against the hobbit imin Send a private message to imin Jan 4 2013, 2:05am
                                        I loved this film hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 2:13am
                                        tell me about it redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jan 4 2013, 2:14am
                                            Well i am living in the UK but spent a few years in the US imin Send a private message to imin Jan 4 2013, 2:27am
                                                Odd. hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 2:34am
                                                Oh man... hahaha redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jan 4 2013, 2:53am
                                                    you mean refuse to work at all. hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 3:23am
                                                        lol redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jan 4 2013, 4:00am
                                                            Part of his charm is being a kid making films, but it didn't work well for KK hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 4:11am
                                                Oh, our American media is more a monster than The Great Goblin or Azog. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Jan 4 2013, 2:58am
                                                    I know two threads at once! imin Send a private message to imin Jan 4 2013, 3:05am
                            I feel the same way redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jan 4 2013, 1:53am
                        Agreed on all fronts redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Jan 4 2013, 1:50am
                    I only enjoyed it in 3D Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 4 2013, 5:47am
                Beautiful film - boring story lyndomiel Send a private message to lyndomiel Jan 4 2013, 2:51am
                Yeah Avatar was great BeornBerserker Send a private message to BeornBerserker Jan 4 2013, 4:31am
        It annoys me how stubborn the critics are QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Jan 4 2013, 12:47am
            It annoys me that critics get paid. hutch Send a private message to hutch Jan 4 2013, 1:59am
    Agree with the heart of the article Elessar Send a private message to Elessar Jan 4 2013, 6:27am

 
 
 

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