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marillaraina
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Jan 1 2013, 10:47pm


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just taking some of the time given to the least interesting dwarf with the most screen time(Kili), and giving it to one of the more interesting, well defined dwarves (Balin, Bofur, Dwalin, Dori). I don't even have anything against Kili really. He's fine i guess, and Aidan Turner is an appealing actor. It's just that there's not much to his character, and these other dwarves are much stronger characters, and screen time is valuable. Also, i get the feeling that he's being forced on us a bit for, as i said earlier, the ladies.


How do you figure there is not much to his character? It sounds like the character is being judged based on how he looks. How are Dwalin, Bofur and Dori more "defined and interesting"?

As well part of the whole point of the younger dwarves and I think perhaps Kili's role in particular is that he IS young and he is defining himself. This quest is going to be of central importance to his defining of himself. How are characters who have already defined themselves more interesting than the story of a character who hasn't? I'm not saying they are less interesting but I fail to see how they are more interesting as a story in a film.

As it is with Kili we see a lot of points that can come up for development in later films. For one there is the obvious, his maturity - experiencing real life danger and hardship. Seeing how these things change him or how he handles various situations.

He seems to idolize Thorin, it's like he always wants to be of use to him. That seems to be why he's always trying to be near him - like "here I am, call on me!!".

On the other hand he doesn't have a lot of Thorin's prejudices(which Thorin has for his own reasons, often for what are very understandable reasons), he's open, he's friendly. In some ways he seems to kind of identify with Bilbo, at the very least he seems to like him and is somewhat protective of him.

And it makes sense, Bilbo is new to this, well so is Kili to a certain extent. He may be a trained fighter(and from what we see a good one considering what is probably lack of " real world" experience), but otherwise he's as new, in his own way, to adventuring as Bilbo is. He was quite happy to see Bilbo had returned after the Goblin incident.

As well it's likely he'll be more quick to warm to the elves, and not just because Tauriel is "hot". :D If that Lego set is anything to go by she'll save his life, so sure she's beautiful, but she's also brave and an example that run's counter to Thorin's example of the elves leaving them in their time of need.(Not saying it negates it, but it shows it isn't cut and dry "all elves are the same").

And this actually is not counter to the book - Kili and Fili were the only ones(besides I think Bombur?) who were said to not agree with Thorin's approach to the whole sharing of the wealth thing. All of this actually helps set that up. In the book it wasn't stated if their disagreement was spoken out loud but it's likely it will be in the film.

And yet they die for Thorin, they die trying to protect him.

There is plenty to Kili's character and a part of that is the character discovering who he is, discovering his potential, just in time to die for it. That makes for a pretty heartbreaking character arc when you think about it.

And it compounds the tragedy of Thorin's arc, Kili and Fili, so promising, so much potential for greatness themselves and they die at least in part because Thorin allowed himself to be taken away from reason.


(This post was edited by marillaraina on Jan 1 2013, 10:54pm)

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Kili more important than Fili? *SPOILERS* Rane Send a private message to Rane Jan 1 2013, 3:27am
    I don't think there's anything to fear Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Jan 1 2013, 3:36am
    I started noticing this a while ago. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Jan 1 2013, 3:39am
        For the ladies Rane Send a private message to Rane Jan 1 2013, 3:44am
            Equal balance impossible Joe-Mathews Send a private message to Joe-Mathews Jan 1 2013, 4:24am
                The truth is... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode Jan 1 2013, 4:27am
                    It's hard to draw conclusions after only one movie. entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 1 2013, 4:33am
                    Used to think movie would have fewer dwarves Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 1 2013, 4:36am
                    I didn't suggest giving all the dwarves equal time, sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Jan 1 2013, 4:46am
                        Kili just as good as other dwarves Mahtion Send a private message to Mahtion Jan 1 2013, 4:59am
                            Well, i'm stating my opinion, sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Jan 1 2013, 5:42am
                        If you haven't read the book, spoilers below. entmaiden Send a private message to entmaiden Jan 1 2013, 5:26am
                        Why do you think Kili is the least interesting? dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jan 1 2013, 4:33pm
                            That's hard to say. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Jan 1 2013, 5:01pm
                                That's pretty much my feelings on the character... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Jan 1 2013, 7:48pm
                                    Oh these two... CathrineB Send a private message to CathrineB Jan 1 2013, 8:20pm
                                    Well said. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Jan 1 2013, 8:40pm
                        :) marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Jan 1 2013, 10:47pm
                            Holy wow THAT was an amazing post!! *applause* CathrineB Send a private message to CathrineB Jan 1 2013, 11:12pm
                            All that sounds great, sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Jan 1 2013, 11:36pm
                                ;) marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Jan 1 2013, 11:49pm
                                    No, Kili was not singled out. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Jan 2 2013, 12:49am
                            For Kili Aelfan Send a private message to Aelfan Jan 2 2013, 7:28pm
                Agreed! Not to mention quality > quantity RhodeCamelot Send a private message to RhodeCamelot Jan 1 2013, 5:26am
                Agreed *book spoilers again* Rane Send a private message to Rane Jan 1 2013, 5:38am
                :) marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Jan 1 2013, 10:06pm
    I hate to be the one to point this out... Avnar Send a private message to Avnar Jan 1 2013, 6:43am
        A dreaded possibility Mahtion Send a private message to Mahtion Jan 1 2013, 6:50am
        I seriously doubt it dubulous Send a private message to dubulous Jan 1 2013, 8:56am
        So don't think about it... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Jan 1 2013, 9:05am
        spoiler alert carrioncrow Send a private message to carrioncrow Jan 1 2013, 2:58pm
            Well *spoilers* Rane Send a private message to Rane Jan 2 2013, 3:20am
                Yes marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Jan 2 2013, 4:08am
                    The non-reader reaction will be interesting Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 2 2013, 5:03am
    Not sure that is true, is it? DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jan 1 2013, 9:02am
    Ah, that is an interesting theory I must say!. The thing is of course.. *book spoilers* Xanaseb Send a private message to Xanaseb Jan 1 2013, 1:16pm
    Grouping carrioncrow Send a private message to carrioncrow Jan 1 2013, 2:49pm
    Practical problem perhaps? glor Send a private message to glor Jan 1 2013, 5:50pm
        Agree with this +1// Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 Jan 1 2013, 7:02pm
    Welcome to tORN! Owain Send a private message to Owain Jan 2 2013, 5:13am
        Patience... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Jan 2 2013, 8:38am

 
 
 

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