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Jealousy and humiliation.

Lissuin
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Jan 1 2013, 10:38pm


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Bilbo will take on more of a leadership role than Thorin is comfortable and Thorin will get jealous. Bilbo will save them from spiders, free them from the elves, and the company already liked Bilbo before Thorin did.

Thorin having to repeatedly thank Bilbo will lead to bitterness.


Your jealousy point is accurate because Thorin will be deeply humiliated in the next film: the spiders; captured and imprisoned by the elf king, whom he hates for failing to help in Erebor, then released from his cell/saved by Bilbo a third time; stuffed unceremoniously into a barrel to escape rather than fighting his way out, but saved never-the-less by Bilbo a fourth time. I don't think the script writers will carry this Thorin-hugs-Bilbo-and-we're-buddies-now scene very far forward. Thorin's expressions of thanks, if any, will become more strained.

Bilbo taking the leadership won't be overt. He won't see himself as the leader, more that he happened to be able to get the dwarves out of messes by good luck and persistence. In fact, he would be hurt if Thorin indicates that he thinks Bilbo is trying to usurp his position because Bilbo is coming to respect a different kind of skill and character in Thorin than he has ever been exposed to. There will be many sidelong glances and embarrassed shuffling of feet on the part of the other dwarves when Thorin shows hostile ingratitude.

When they arrive in Lake-town, Thorin will be hailed as the King under the Mountain Returned and sent off in renewed splendour, which will puff him up, but his pride will also suffer at having to take handouts from these men when his family earlier lived in such splendour not far away.

I don't think, even subconsciously, that Thorin will want to let the dragon rid him of Bilbo, but he will certainly demand that Bilbo do the reconnaissance job he was hired for, which Thorin perceives as a job beneath his own status as a warrior and returning prince of Erebor. By that time film Thorin will be just as gruff again as book Thorin about sending the burglar off down the tunnel, but the others will show far more reluctance to let Bilbo go alone because they do like the little fellow. There might be a shift in this film/book scene so that Bilbo has to insist on it being his job as a way to prove something to Thorin and to make it more believable that at least some of his new friends don't go with him.

Armitage is so believable with his smoldering anger, inspirational leadership by example, and being moved by expressions of loyalty that I expect his fury at Bilbo's seeming betrayal in Film 3 will be volcanic. Looking forward to that scene.

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Bilbo and Thorin character arcs in the Desolation of Smaug burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Jan 1 2013, 5:32pm
    Jealousy? Joe-Mathews Send a private message to Joe-Mathews Jan 1 2013, 5:44pm
        Why is that? Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 1 2013, 6:29pm
            Not main motivation. Joe-Mathews Send a private message to Joe-Mathews Jan 1 2013, 6:48pm
        Jealousy and humiliation. Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Jan 1 2013, 10:38pm
    Interesting thoughts. Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 1 2013, 7:39pm
        Maybe the dwarves are more active in Mirkwood and the Barrel Escape burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Jan 1 2013, 8:05pm
            I'd guess less Thorins heroic competance and more his grudges... moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Jan 2 2013, 8:11am
        I would think we'd see a different Thorin than is in the book Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jan 2 2013, 8:04am
            Actually, I think you're right. Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 2 2013, 9:44am
                I agree with the epic fury part when it comes to light Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Jan 2 2013, 3:44pm
                    Yes, I'm sure we will see a lot more that's motivating Bilbo Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jan 2 2013, 4:04pm
    Well Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Jan 1 2013, 9:53pm
        All of this! Spot on.// Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Jan 1 2013, 10:44pm
        Excellent observation Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 2 2013, 3:05am
            Capture by the Elves perhaps Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Jan 2 2013, 3:37pm
                Elf-absorbed! Excellent. Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 2 2013, 5:26pm
                Yeah marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Jan 2 2013, 9:11pm
    That's an interesting interpretation! Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Jan 2 2013, 3:52pm
        RE: Escapist Ref Send a private message to Ref Jan 2 2013, 11:31pm

 
 
 

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