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Loresilme
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Jan 1 2013, 9:53pm


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Some thoughts ....

"...and he never forgave and he never forgot"


Perhaps instead of lust for gold, they will attribute it to his lingering anger over no one else helping the Dwarves when they needed help, and about the Dwarves being reduced to displaced, second class citizens of Middle-earth. In Balin's words, "Taking work wherever he could get it" (words to that effect), etc. This is a former prince of a great realm who has come pretty far down in the world. Perhaps this is why there are several conversations in AUJ around Thorin refusing to have anything to do with the Elves, and his anger over the past, to foreshadow all the pride and anger spilling over now/in the future to include basically everyone else because they had to do it (well almost all of it) on their own.

"You have made a good life...in the Blue Mountains"
I forget the exact dialogue here but Balin tries to tell him this all isn't necessary, he is a fine leader of his people already and has done well by them. I think here we are left to wonder, is it really that this prince has fallen far in the eyes of the world, or is it only in his own eyes?

"Which makes you nobody, really"
Not sure if that was the exact wording of the last of the Great Goblin's insults, but here again I think these things are all being said to make the audience understand how Thorin feels. Thorin being proud and strong would be completely out of character to say all this, but perhaps we as the audience have to know it, so we have other characters saying it for our benefit.

"I did not know they were yours to keep"

I loved that line. I thought it explains the Thorin we meet in AUJ perfectly. When Gandalf says that he didn't give him the key and the map so he could hold on to the past - that is Thorin's answer -- to a Wizard! Wow, that's prideful and bold and fearless and angry and resentful and probably ten other things all mixed into that one sentence! Just, wow. So I can't really envision this Thorin falling into a jealous snit over Bilbo making decisions, or getting lustful for gold. There's no indication at all so far that he cares for gold, in fact to me he seemed to have a look of perhaps disgust / sadness / foreboding in the prologue when he sees how gold affected Thror.

I think perhaps we have more of an indication that his future actions will be due to this brooding and anger over the events of the past, and that these things were included in AUJ to show his mindset and set up for the effect it's going to have on his character once he does get back into his old realm.


Gee I guess we only have to wait a year to find out LaughCrazySly.

Subject User Time
Bilbo and Thorin character arcs in the Desolation of Smaug burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Jan 1 2013, 5:32pm
    Jealousy? Joe-Mathews Send a private message to Joe-Mathews Jan 1 2013, 5:44pm
        Why is that? Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 1 2013, 6:29pm
            Not main motivation. Joe-Mathews Send a private message to Joe-Mathews Jan 1 2013, 6:48pm
        Jealousy and humiliation. Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Jan 1 2013, 10:38pm
    Interesting thoughts. Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 1 2013, 7:39pm
        Maybe the dwarves are more active in Mirkwood and the Barrel Escape burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Jan 1 2013, 8:05pm
            I'd guess less Thorins heroic competance and more his grudges... moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Jan 2 2013, 8:11am
        I would think we'd see a different Thorin than is in the book Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jan 2 2013, 8:04am
            Actually, I think you're right. Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 2 2013, 9:44am
                I agree with the epic fury part when it comes to light Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Jan 2 2013, 3:44pm
                    Yes, I'm sure we will see a lot more that's motivating Bilbo Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jan 2 2013, 4:04pm
    Well Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Jan 1 2013, 9:53pm
        All of this! Spot on.// Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Jan 1 2013, 10:44pm
        Excellent observation Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 2 2013, 3:05am
            Capture by the Elves perhaps Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Jan 2 2013, 3:37pm
                Elf-absorbed! Excellent. Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 2 2013, 5:26pm
                Yeah marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Jan 2 2013, 9:11pm
    That's an interesting interpretation! Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Jan 2 2013, 3:52pm
        RE: Escapist Ref Send a private message to Ref Jan 2 2013, 11:31pm

 
 
 

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