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Bilbo and Thorin character arcs in the Desolation of Smaug

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Jan 1 2013, 5:32pm


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So we know that Jackson, Boyens and Walsh like strong character arcs in their screenplays, and are partial to dramatic confrontations and character reversals as well. In an Unexpected Journey they brought forward the moment Bilbo proves his bravery to the dwarves through the clash with Azog scene. Cue manly dwarf-hug with Thorin, and the respect and appreciation of all the dwarves.

So it's got me wondering, how will they take this relationship forward in the Desolation of Smaug? How will Bilbo and Thorin change? In the book the next big moment of drama is the Arkenstone conflict, and we won't get that far in DoS. But there are plenty of intervening scenes that could be used for character progression.

So Jackson's Thorin is considerably more heroic and likeable than in the original Hobbit book. But remember Thorin still has to request that Bilbo ventures down the tunnel to face Smaug alone. Will we begin to see the lust for gold turn Thorin's character darker in DoS? The conflict with Thranduil and the enthusiasm of the people of Esgaroth could be early triggers for this change.

In the absence of Gandalf, Bilbo takes on a leadership role expressed through the Mirkwood spiders attack and the escape from Thranduil's halls. This culminates in him venturing to meet Smaug when the whole quest lies in his hands. In the book it's more than bravery- he has come to 'trust his luck', symbolised by his magic ring, and he feels he is fated to take on this task. Will this theme of luck be used in DoS? Or does the lucky magic ring in The Hobbit book conflict with the One Ring in Jackson's Hobbit?

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Bilbo and Thorin character arcs in the Desolation of Smaug burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Jan 1 2013, 5:32pm
    Jealousy? Joe-Mathews Send a private message to Joe-Mathews Jan 1 2013, 5:44pm
        Why is that? Lightice Send a private message to Lightice Jan 1 2013, 6:29pm
            Not main motivation. Joe-Mathews Send a private message to Joe-Mathews Jan 1 2013, 6:48pm
        Jealousy and humiliation. Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Jan 1 2013, 10:38pm
    Interesting thoughts. Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 1 2013, 7:39pm
        Maybe the dwarves are more active in Mirkwood and the Barrel Escape burrahobbit Send a private message to burrahobbit Jan 1 2013, 8:05pm
            I'd guess less Thorins heroic competance and more his grudges... moreorless Send a private message to moreorless Jan 2 2013, 8:11am
        I would think we'd see a different Thorin than is in the book Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jan 2 2013, 8:04am
            Actually, I think you're right. Roheryn Send a private message to Roheryn Jan 2 2013, 9:44am
                I agree with the epic fury part when it comes to light Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Jan 2 2013, 3:44pm
                    Yes, I'm sure we will see a lot more that's motivating Bilbo Old Toby Send a private message to Old Toby Jan 2 2013, 4:04pm
    Well Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Jan 1 2013, 9:53pm
        All of this! Spot on.// Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Jan 1 2013, 10:44pm
        Excellent observation Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 2 2013, 3:05am
            Capture by the Elves perhaps Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Jan 2 2013, 3:37pm
                Elf-absorbed! Excellent. Kimtc Send a private message to Kimtc Jan 2 2013, 5:26pm
                Yeah marillaraina Send a private message to marillaraina Jan 2 2013, 9:11pm
    That's an interesting interpretation! Escapist Send a private message to Escapist Jan 2 2013, 3:52pm
        RE: Escapist Ref Send a private message to Ref Jan 2 2013, 11:31pm

 
 
 

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