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Speaking of facts: does Bilbo fib to the dwarves after eluding Gollum?

N.E. Brigand
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Dec 31 2012, 8:04am


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Rather than start a whole new thread for a few random question and push a discussion off the front page, I'll post them here.

1. When Bilbo reappears among the dwarves not far from the goblin-cave exit, Thorin, having just speculated that Bilbo had abandoned the dwarves to return to Rivendell, asks why the hobbit returned. If my notes are correct, this is what Bilbo says in reply:


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I know you doubt me. I know you always have. You're right. I often think of Bag End. I miss my books, and my armchair, and my garden. See, that's where I belong. That's home. That's why I came back, 'cause you don't have one: a home. It was taken from you. But I will help you take it back if I can.



But really, Bilbo hasn't "come back" at all. He was about to leave the dwarves when the goblins captured them all, and since then he's fought with a goblin, fallen to Gollum's lake for the riddle game, and escaped from Gollum and thus the mountains by the same exit as the dwarves, which is only a few hundred yards away from where he's addressing Thorin. He's never had a chance to change his mind, and probably couldn't go anywhere else but with the dwarves now even if he wanted to.

2. What does it mean for Glamdring to be, as the Great Goblin says, "bright as daylight"? It exhibits no brightness that I could see.

3. I glanced at some film-based books at the store yesterday; as was noted here in September by burgahobbit (though I missed it at the tiem), one of the books says of Thorin, "the longer the beard, the more impressive the dwarf". But Thorin obviously has a short beard. Is this a mistake, or will there be a story explaining Thorin's trimmed chin?

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"Factual" error? MistyMountain Send a private message to MistyMountain Dec 31 2012, 4:42am
    You're not wrong Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Dec 31 2012, 4:56am
    Deliberate change? arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Dec 31 2012, 4:59am
    I noticed that too Nira Send a private message to Nira Dec 31 2012, 6:41am
        youngest? malla Send a private message to malla Jan 1 2013, 3:28am
    Who's younger in the book, Fili or Kili? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 31 2012, 7:33am
        I believe Kili is the youngest, Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Dec 31 2012, 6:24pm
            Tolkien's Thorin says "Fili is the youngest" in the book. // N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 31 2012, 6:46pm
    Ori The Mitch King Send a private message to The Mitch King Dec 31 2012, 7:41am
    Speaking of facts: does Bilbo fib to the dwarves after eluding Gollum? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 31 2012, 8:04am
        I thought about that scene with Bilbo Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Dec 31 2012, 5:59pm
            That's how I saw it too. arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Dec 31 2012, 6:59pm
                I agree with you both that he's rededicated himself here. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Dec 31 2012, 7:43pm
                    Oh, I see what you mean now. arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Dec 31 2012, 7:47pm
    The youngest thing... CathrineB Send a private message to CathrineB Dec 31 2012, 9:54am
    Who is the youngest Scot Down South Send a private message to Scot Down South Dec 31 2012, 9:55am
        I was going to suggest this too DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 31 2012, 10:14am
        and the weakest Entwife Wandlimb Send a private message to Entwife Wandlimb Dec 31 2012, 1:25pm
        Yes, but the goblin king was not in control of the camera MistyMountain Send a private message to MistyMountain Dec 31 2012, 9:32pm
    I wouldn't expect Lindele Send a private message to Lindele Dec 31 2012, 1:53pm
    while the film unexpectedvisitor Send a private message to unexpectedvisitor Dec 31 2012, 2:58pm
        It's not just the film DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 31 2012, 3:01pm
            It's these kinds of changes i just do not get. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 31 2012, 5:12pm
                Could you describe for me what Ori was like in the book, please? arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Dec 31 2012, 6:25pm
                    There really isn't much Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Dec 31 2012, 6:50pm
                    I never mind when they fill in what's not there, sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 31 2012, 6:58pm
        I object! MistyMountain Send a private message to MistyMountain Dec 31 2012, 9:48pm
            Having Kili and Fili as youngest woeldn't quite work on film patrickk Send a private message to patrickk Dec 31 2012, 11:30pm
                Fili and Kili aren't twins DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 31 2012, 11:31pm
                Yes, but they made them that way. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 31 2012, 11:50pm
                    My point exactly MistyMountain Send a private message to MistyMountain Jan 1 2013, 12:30am
                    Since Fili and Kili are major characters already.... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Jan 1 2013, 12:35am
    No, he's not the youngest ryouko Send a private message to ryouko Jan 1 2013, 2:04am
        Well there's that scene in the movie sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Jan 1 2013, 3:00am
    Youngest dwarf and disneyfication Chilled in Hithlum Send a private message to Chilled in Hithlum Jan 1 2013, 3:34am
        They inherited their lack of prosthetics Aragalen the Green Send a private message to Aragalen the Green Jan 1 2013, 4:06am

 
 
 

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