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Joe-Mathews
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Dec 30 2012, 3:19pm


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I have also noticed that, but tried to find the reasons. After all we've been given an ability to analyze these issues. And I think I've found it. Cinematically the ease of killing the Great Goblin was the right decision. Why? An answer - he simply wasn't the main threat, they have given this role to Azog appearing after they have left the mountains. So on the screen it felt like the threat was behind (in the sequence where Bilbo reappears and discusses home). After passing those long tunnels full with the other goblins and defeating them, the Great One has turned into minor issue. Now just imagine how it could've looked otherwise - everywhere they went they killed everything. Starting from the forest they killed the wargs, then - orcs and wargs in the fields, later - goblins etc. And just imagine - then Gandalf kills Goblin King and it takes longer time, let's say 3-4 screentime minutes...and then we rush into the other enemy. It simply wouldn't work. To balance it, one of them has been given a minor importance. Too many long fights would've destroyed it. But, of course, if there was no Azog, it would be correct to focus on Goblin King. What else...Size doesn't mean everything. He was just a foolish creature, depended on other goblins...These are stereotypes - typical masters, which rely on their servants, not able to do anything.

You completely changed my mind on this topic! I hated how the Great Goblin was dispatched so easily, but your points make sense. The Goblin King and his minions were very pathetic, incompetent creatures. They were never as scary or dangerous as the orcs under Azog, Uruk-Hai, or most orcs in the other films. They weren't decent fighting orcs at all. Their dispatch was correctly quick, simple, and easy.

'It is ever so with the things that Men begin: there is a frost in Spring, or a blight in Summer, and they fail of their promise.' ... '[Yet their seed] will lie in the dust and rot to spring up again in times and places unlooked-for.'

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Death of the Great Goblin and the falling bridge... Glum Send a private message to Glum Dec 30 2012, 1:52pm
    Re: "did anyone actually like this scene" DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 30 2012, 2:49pm
        Yap. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 30 2012, 3:00pm
            Out of interest ... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 30 2012, 3:06pm
                Just a moment... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 30 2012, 3:18pm
                ma lyst viewing was about a week ago... triptrap Send a private message to triptrap Dec 30 2012, 3:19pm
                    ok Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 30 2012, 3:22pm
                        off topic triptrap Send a private message to triptrap Dec 30 2012, 3:29pm
                            Well... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 30 2012, 3:38pm
        There's an even worse shot of Kili in Bag End jtarkey Send a private message to jtarkey Dec 30 2012, 8:31pm
            I didn't like that shot either Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Dec 30 2012, 8:49pm
    My thoughts Lost Hobbit Send a private message to Lost Hobbit Dec 30 2012, 3:03pm
        Excellent! Joe-Mathews Send a private message to Joe-Mathews Dec 30 2012, 3:19pm
        First viewing I didn't like any of Goblin Town (spoilers) QuackingTroll Send a private message to QuackingTroll Dec 30 2012, 4:00pm
            Another Goblintown defense Indigo55 Send a private message to Indigo55 Dec 30 2012, 4:45pm
                Exactly. Case Closed. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Dec 31 2012, 2:01am
    I thought it was very funny actually EyeRock Send a private message to EyeRock Dec 30 2012, 3:15pm
        The trap-door arithmancer Send a private message to arithmancer Dec 30 2012, 6:40pm
    Gandalf killing the GG irodino Send a private message to irodino Dec 30 2012, 4:47pm
    Bridge, Goblin King JWPlatt Dec 30 2012, 5:23pm
    I cannot agree with you more. I hope they'll do something for the EE (yes... wishful hope I know) NT xxxyyy Send a private message to xxxyyy Dec 30 2012, 5:49pm
    I loved the goblin town sequence !! TheWhiteRider Send a private message to TheWhiteRider Dec 30 2012, 6:11pm
    The bridge falling was dumb. sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Dec 30 2012, 7:38pm
    His death was supposed to be easy stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Dec 30 2012, 9:31pm
        Hmmm... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Dec 30 2012, 11:42pm
            Respect For The Lore JWPlatt Dec 31 2012, 12:43am
        Well Maybe Ostadan Send a private message to Ostadan Dec 31 2012, 4:17pm
    I admit, I found it amusing... Mardragon Send a private message to Mardragon Dec 30 2012, 10:20pm
    This may be the ONLY.. YaznegSouth40 Send a private message to YaznegSouth40 Dec 30 2012, 10:26pm
        Goblin King JWPlatt Dec 30 2012, 10:39pm
    At first I thought Gandalf killed him too easily... TheSexyBeard Send a private message to TheSexyBeard Dec 30 2012, 11:34pm
    Didn't seem too easy, but I hated the Great Goblin's last line... fern Send a private message to fern Dec 31 2012, 2:53am
    I was expecting Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth Send a private message to Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth Dec 31 2012, 5:50pm
    I have no problem... dungolfin Send a private message to dungolfin Dec 31 2012, 6:43pm

 
 
 

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