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Briza
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Dec 29 2012, 3:42am
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Huan vs Durin's Bane. .
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Huan defeated Sauron, probably the most powerful Maia. How would he fair against a Balrog.
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DanielLB
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Dec 29 2012, 10:08am
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Not sure I would call it a defeat. Didn't Sauron flee? And he did take the shape of a wolf - how would it turn out if Sauron was something else?
But wasn't it prophesied that Huan could only be killed by the greatest wolf? So, Huan would win. Despite the obvious size difference.
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Briza
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Dec 29 2012, 10:14am
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rophesies are not always right...
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Yes it was prophesied that Huan would be defeated by the greatest wolf, but prophesies are not always right.
Sauron initially changed into a giant wolf, then into a Serpent, but could not escape from Huan. Sauron was giving the option of death or surrender. He choose to surrendered and flew away as a bat.
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DanielLB
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Dec 29 2012, 10:26am
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Off the top of my head, I'm not aware of any prophecy that didn't come true
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In Tolkien's Middle-earth.
I'm sure someone can prove me wrong though ...
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Briza
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Dec 29 2012, 11:03am
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Some of the prophetic visions from Galadriel's mirror did not come to pass.
Tom was also wrong regarding the Nazgul, but that might not have been a prophecy.
While I agree a lot of the prophecies turned out to be true, there is still a degree of doubt.
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Briza
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Dec 29 2012, 6:10pm
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Thought of another example last night....
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The Laketown song regarding the return of the king also turned out to be wrong, it was prophesying that the river would run golden with the wealth of the king ect.... turns out to be quite wrong.
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BeornBerserker
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Dec 29 2012, 6:20pm
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A gift of Orome and slayer of Carcharoth will slay another of Morgoth's servants.
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DanielLB
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Dec 29 2012, 6:48pm
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The prophecy was fulfilled, but not how the Men of Laketown expected. The River ran gold with fire (and Smaug was golden), rather than of the precious metal.
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Narya
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Jan 12 2013, 5:35pm
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I'm not sure that prophecies are useful in deciding hypothetical contests. It depends what they are and I think they are the results of moment of foresight. That is, they are the same as visions of what has happened, with the exception that they are a vision of what will happen.
For example, if someone with foresight says in 1960 that "only by the hand of Muhammed Ali will George Foreman fall" it is because he has seen what will happen. However even though this did ultimately happen, it doesn't necessarily mean that someone else couldn't have beat George Foreman, it just means that no one that could have beat him ever actually fought him. (In George Foreman's case none of his contempories probably could have beaten him, actually, but hopefully you see the point!)
Even the wise cannot see all ends.
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Beren0nehanded
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Jan 16 2013, 3:37pm
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Indeed Sauron is probably the most powerful Maia, but in combat? Hard to say. Just because he is Morgoth's #2 doesn't mean he is > a Balrog.
Sooo that being said, it is always tough to apply if a > b and b > c than a > c theory in combat. Just because Huan defeated Sauron doesn't mean Huan would also defeat Durin's Bane because like I said, any Balrog might have defeated Sauron in combat.
Tough call, but I give my edge to Durin's Bane.
Don't be hasty.
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Nalin sternbolt
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Jan 28 2013, 1:21am
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I have to side with Durin's Bane...
for this massive creature to just be blown away by Huon... I want to at least give a second look.
Main point: the Balrog's were defeated by either the greatest of the Maier [Gandalf], greatest of the Elves [Glorfindel], or the Vala themselves (Turkas, Orome).
They were the chief weapons of power of the forces of Morgoth... I'm guessing they were more powerful than dragons! (guessing)
Question: The Balrogs slew elves and men en-mass plus fought off the great Ungoliant!! Could Huon have done the same!???
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