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Guillermo's Hobbit

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Rivendell


Dec 28 2012, 8:30pm

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     Guillermo's Hobbit  

I'm not sure if this has been discussed, but do we know how greatly the films had been changed after Guillermo jumped ship? Art wise, story wise? What do we as a community know of this "Hobbit that could have been"?

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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea


Dec 28 2012, 8:42pm

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     i don't think there has been any huge changes since... [In reply to]  

Guillermo and PJ worked closely together on the scripts for a few years. In-terms of visuals, yes, i think del toro's vision would have been different. I know at one point both of them wanted a bridge film than they both decided to split the book into two films, i don't think del toro was surprised by PJ's decision to split it into three films.


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unexpectedvisitor
Rohan

Dec 28 2012, 9:15pm

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     i know that it would have been radically different from the LotR movies [In reply to]  

i can only offer my own theories, but...

you're talking about two very different if somewhat kindred directors, each with their own distinct visions on how to make movies.

i'm sure GDT would have delivered a very good Hobbit movie. it probably would have been darker, more intense, while visually being even more "fable-like" and gothic in design. there may have been more instances of practical effects and animatronics though you can bet that it would have still used a ton of CG. i think the tone of the film would have been really adjusted. some of the softer moments would have been gone, you wouldn't likely get a scene like the one between Galadriel and Gandalf in AUJ. Bag End probably would have been a lot shorter, GDT has a more taut sense of pacing than PJ (though i don't consider PJ's more leisurely approach a fault). we probably would have spent less time in Rivendell, too.

for those who wanted darker lighting in the "Riddles in the Dark" sequence, you likely would have gotten that. a lot less emphasis on performances and more on the atmosphere.

Bilbo would have been approached a bit differently. i think PJ still would have pushed to work the shooting schedule around Martin Freeman but if GDT was directing the movie then the role might have went to someone else more readily available and a better avatar for GDT's own personality into the lead role.

the action/drama ratio would have been fairly the same. GDT likes his action as much, if not more, than PJ. and he's no less "over-the-top."

AUJ follows a similar narrative construction to the LotR films, specifically FotR. with GDT i think it would have felt quite different. the beats would have been different, i dunno that the prologue or flashbacks would have been used in the same way. i think we would have got less sympathetic moments for Thorin (and probably a different actor), GDT probably would have hewn a little closer to the way that Thorin comes across in the book--which is a bit of an all-around jerk. GDT would have really worked the friction between Bilbo and Thorin for the extent of the story until it blows up near the end. no hug moment.

in terms of the aesthetic, i think it would have been VERY different. the cinematography, the editing, the concept and production design elements that weren't already featured in LotR, the use of music...all would have been very different. directors like to work with crew that they've collaborated with before and you have to think that GDT would have brought in some of his peeps rather than some of the people who worked on LotR or are faves of PJ. Lesnie's cinematography is quite unlike anything that GDT typically does so GDT probably would have brought in his boy Navarro. editor almost surely would have been one of GDT's previous collaborators and while GDT might have decided to keep most of the concept art Howe and Lee he probably would have brought in his own production designer since Grant Major didn't return in that role--and he probably would have supplemented Howe and Lee's work with a lot more stuff from the artists that he usually likes to work with, like Mignola and Wayne D. Barlowe. Howard Shore's music is also very different from the music usually in GDT movies. there probably would have been an uproar if GDT had tried to use someone else for the score so i imagine he would have worked with Shore, but probably pushed him for a very different style of soundtrack. dunno if that would have worked out, though, because Shore is so invested in his motif-based approach to scoring this world.

there would have been some core similarities since it would be the same production team doing Tolkien but, yeah, it would have been a very different vision from the vision that PJ brought to LotR.


Eledhwen
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Dec 28 2012, 9:17pm

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     Please can we discuss this in the thread below? [In reply to]  

Any comment from Guillermo del Toro on AUJ?

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